Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,865
Long way from sorting themselves out
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Captain Haddock
- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
- Posts: 7,987
The problem with the Labour Party is that it no longer sees itself as the voice of working class people but as a coming together of the learned and the virtuous.
Unfortunately (?) to get elected, they will have to (as Bertold Brecht joked about communism) dissolve the people and get a new one?
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
cor blimey keith, you never give up do you. have some faith in your old party.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,865
Brian
It's about what I hear talking to local people in my community
Now what you can do is stick your head in the sand like you and many local labour people are.
Unless the non voters and those vast majority are wrong , and this is only happening in my area
Which I don't suspect for a minute
Labour won't come any where near at next general election
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Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
- Posts: 1,298
Just wait for a no deal Brexit. Then watch the voters return to Labour, once they realised they've be let down so badly. Cummings is great at protest and anti establishment stuff, not so good at being the establishment. I am confident, Keith.
Reginald Barrington
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
- Posts: 3,235
Or a massive resurgence of the Libs unless Starmer starts pulling his finger out (hoping brexit goes tits up is a pretty pathetic strategy).
The majority no longer have faith in either of the 2 main parties and the opportunity Is Sir Ed's to piss up the wall, i certainly do not see a mass return to labour in the North regardless of the Brexit outcome.
Those I have spoken to no longer care about the actual terms of Brexit, deal or otherwise, they just want to see the vote enacted so they can tell the remainers where to shove it!
Arte et Marte
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
oh keith you are talking to the wrong people, as for sticking my head in the sand you can foxtrot oscar. lol
Button
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
- Posts: 3,035
Well all you have to do is wait a maximum of 25 years and you'll find out which of you is correct.
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Guest 3706- Registered: 21 Jul 2020
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Politicians will soon not be the focus when we are scrabbling around trying to feed ourselves, because post-pandemic, post-brexit and it's going to be pretty dire.
"You'd better start swimming or you'll sink like a stone, the times they are a changin"
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Weird Granny Slater
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 7 Jun 2017
- Posts: 3,010
The test for Labour as an opposition will be next month when the 'lockdown' 'restrictions' come up for review in parliament. If it nods through the extension this clueless, despotic gaggle in government is looking for, as it did with the initial March power grab, then we'll know it hasn't the balls for a fight. (As a bonus, we'll also find out how many Tory MPs are actually conservatives.)
'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,865
Button
That's admitting I'm right on 25 years lol
Brian
I speak to community people every day and no one is saying there voting labour
Your right there saying they won't be voting Tory
But that doesn't mean labour will get any of those votes.
Neil
Quite rightly you should as you believe be hopeful of a massive change in people's opinions.
Like weird said, Brexit won't be enough to save labour, as labour lost election on being so undecided on Brexit .
Northerners , Scotland, Wales will keep labour out of number 10
Time for that reality check
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Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,823
The best thing for Labour at the moment is to keep quiet, that way only the Tories can be blamed for all the wrong decisions as obviously Labour can think of no better action at the moment.
They will probably properly wake up when they want to remind voters they still exist come election time with the cry 'it wasn't our fault, we were/are not to blame'.
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Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
- Registered: 7 Jun 2017
- Posts: 3,010
If you look on while a mob poisons the fountain, you'll be remembered, if at all, only for looking on.
But Labour long ago exchanged 'doing the right thing' for 'doing the right-on thing'. Hence teenage rebel Sir Keir's collection of badges.
'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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Correct weird and. Maybe Jan sitting back won't be enough.
As I keep saying unless the area I live is different to every other area in the UK labour will lose again.
And needs to have alternative policies , not just that they have to be acceptable to the public which didn't work last time round.
Now, let's see.......
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Guest 3701- Registered: 19 Jul 2020
- Posts: 38
Polls suggest the gap is closing. It’s the conservatives to lose and my word, they are making a fine mess of a crisis
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Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
- Posts: 1,298
Oddly, my biggest worry for Labour is that there is long enough before the next election for Boris Johnson to be replaced by somebody competent
Pablo- Registered: 21 Mar 2018
- Posts: 614
Neil, is there anyone competent in the Tories?
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Pablo wrote:Neil, is there anyone competent in the Tories?
There were a good few. Trouble is they were either forced out or lost their seats by being faithful to their principles. Hence the kindergarden cabinet we have now.
Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
- Posts: 1,298
Well, that was impressive from SKS at PMQs today, added a bit of bite to his otherwise meticulous approach. Johnson was a shambles - lurching around firing from the hip in an incoherent way.
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
- Posts: 7,987
Agreed. Bo Jo rubbish today .
Remember the alternative was Corbyn less than a year ago?
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
