Pablo- Registered: 21 Mar 2018
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And the Guston truck issue.
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Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
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But when do see/hear from our councillors ?
Every four years at election time
I don't underestimate locals in this area , all the time they are quiet at least things are a little smoother
But many are filling the gaps of local councillors in a voluntary basis by working in the community .
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Weird Granny Slater
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 7 Jun 2017
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It's gonna be alright, doubters. The Party's reorganized and wedged a word salad in the Downing Street gates:
'...Labour will work "collaboratively" in "multidisciplinary teams", which will "adopt a product-mindset using agile ceremonies, be empowered to make decisions and encouraged to focus on rapid prototyping, deployment and iteration".'
https://labourlist.org/2021/08/exclusive-labour-general-secretary-unveils-new-party-structure-to-staff/
Aller aux urnes'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
Button
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
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Yeah, that's as may be, but will they get my bins emptied?
(Not my real name.)
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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There's another labour casualty in St Rads so tommorow the candidates are announced .
Labour must be feeling really insecure after losing Mill Hill .
Labour are in decline at both the national level and local level .
It's all sad as we need an effective opposition whilst bungling Boris and his crew are still here
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Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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keith, you need to speak to sir keir face to face,
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Brian .why would I want to do that ?
The bloke s going to drag us into Tory control for years to come .
Poor leader
Poor party
Opposition for years to come
On the local level although we are used to seeing our conservative cllrs from time to time
Anyone spotted the labour cllr in priory area .
.
Maybe a search party required ?
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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keith, you need to speak to him to put your view across and point him the right direction.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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I just give my view
I'm sure if lab wished to win a general election they would move him out .and change the local party candidates
But both look to remain
So same old
Long term opposition
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Captain Haddock
- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
- Posts: 7,980
Any truth in the rumour that the local Labour Party is disbanding and becoming a weekly meeting 'support group'?
"My name is Keef and I used to vote Labour" etc.
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
Pablo- Registered: 21 Mar 2018
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Well Bob, they’ve put their old office in Coombe Valley Rd on the market. A right tip it is too if you look at the interior pictures.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Obviously to finance a local office like the one in coombe valley is costly
When they had an MP they were able to finance through him, but they have been in opposition for some time now, so not that easy to finance .
They used to also have a full time organiser
Who also went when the MP went ..
Years before this the conservatives found the same in Dover and closed the office in Dover they operated from.
So now Labour has to rebuild with no base to operate from.
I'm not convinced they have the ability now to regain the MP seat as bad as the present MP is.
Even locally they struggle to hold on to seats like
Mill hill which must be a worry to them .
But times have been changing over the years and people started to recognise that labour isn't really this working class outfit it says it represents , many locals around my area (and others as well) have just stopped voting .
So labour has to re-engage with the local community
Now, if we look at past history on this we will see that they don't and they stumble from one election to the next , assuming peopje will vote for them.
This is back firing .
At the last election the conservatives had cleared the shelves in the offices ready to go into opposition, instead they held the seats and gained two from labour !
I have even attempted in the past to help labour candidates but some just feel they are more important than us plebs Lol
A few attempted to silence me on my short spell on Dover TC (which locals asked me to stand as an indy in) but of course that was never going to work
So they trump up charges that wouldn't stand up in court in an attempt to divert you away defending yourself so they can push things through , that also didn't work
Look at some of those other results DDC
Elms vale a councillor (Tory) who expects people to go to him rather than other way round , beat an over confident labour person , who stated she was to win seat and people behind her through all the case work she was involved in
Worked out they weren't .
So it's fair to say if labour starts to re-engage then maybe , and it's a big maybe, they could find a way back..
The danger at the moment is, they are losing seats and slowly drifting back to the days when they were in opposition and looking to remain that way .
I recall being at the swing gate when a labour full times said Labour would never control DDC because if the set up of the seats and at the time the Tories had a big majority in the days of the old Barton ward etc ..
But a lot of hard labour did win the seats and controlled the council for 13 years .
Anyway
Let's see how things unfold
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Sue Nicholas- Location: river
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I must say Pam Brivio is one of the most hard working Councillors.Tower Hamlets are fortunate to have her.There is always something going on .in the ward she represents .
Jan Higgins
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I agree Pam is an excellent councillor, but I am still against councillors being on all three councils.
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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'At the last election the conservatives had cleared the shelves in the offices ready to go into opposition, instead they held the seats and gained two from labour !'
Not to the best of my knowledge Keef.
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
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Nor mine Bob
Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
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Keith Sansum1 wrote:So it's fair to say if labour starts to re-engage then maybe , and it's a big maybe, they could find a way back..
Labour will be
'using a ‘hub-and-spoke’ model to “meet the needs” of voters... “This helps to aggregate and specialise core functions in the “hub”. The “spokes” – which cover the regions and nations – enable our vital citizen-facing activities to be delivered as close to voters as possible.”'
There are important questions here: where's the rim? is there a tyre? or is the rim wooden? is the wheel fixed to an axle? is there also a wheel on the other end? in fact, how many wheels are on your wagon? are you sure this is the right road?
'Higgity, haggity, hoggety, high. Pioneers, they never say die...'
'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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I don't have a lot of time for Brivio as she doesn't accept democracy , nor does she like others views .
I have witnessed her shouting over others who she disagreed with.
Being disrespectful to them .
But , I supported her in the local papers when Pearson attacked her when a dog bit her finger .
I respect Brivio has a following and has kept hold of this but in boundary changed she did put forward her ward to he more important to stay at the expense of other wards thus helped to keep them in opposition
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Sue Nicholas- Location: river
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I spent a very pleasant afternoon with Pam yesterday .I will repeat again she is a very good Councillor .Opposite sides of the political divide but mutual respect .
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Sue
Indeed we can differ on our view of individual cllrs
If we just look at past cllrs the most sincere I found to be of another party our sadly departed
Amelia Williamson .
Not only was she a fair chairperson , in the street she took an interest in my family , children , and it was a sincere interest in how we were.
I had a great deal of respect for her.
But getting back to the thread on the opposition party.
Over the years in opposition it has seen many cllrs come and go.
There has been good and useless amongst them.
Going back around the 80s to today
Some good guys
Steve Maxted I felt wasnt given the credit he deserved
Reg Hansell I felt was a good leader and we'll respected county cllr (if only we could say that about our present county councillors)
Geoff Howarth he was a leftie but I recall being on committees with him but council meetings started at 6pm and he had to listen to the Archers in the car before he came into chamber , thus I had to keep debate going lol
Sid Pollitt another leftie who campaigned against cuts then as vice chairperson supported the cuts!
But in the community continued to fight his own cuts he had made rather than vote against them, that his leftie friends would have expected him to do .
He did well to keto his voting away from leftie chums .
Wendy Hansell was a good past chairperson
Fair but at times firm
Although easily misguided Ben Bano was a great supporter/campaigned for those overseas .
Ian killberry I always respected, I thought he did well on research and certainly passionate on a number of subjects .
I'm sure there's more
But to the present day , we don't see any councillor any more , unless we call them .
Door knocking discontinued, I can't remember the last time I saw a candidate even at election time
That's why I say it's s long way back for labour .
Most people have rightly switched off politics , for the conservatives that's fine, they are holding seats ,
Don't look like losing any locally , for labour it's a case of regaining that trust , working all year round ,
In communities all year round , unless they start soon ,they are in danger of just becoming an opposition party back to the 80s allowing the conservatives to dominate .
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