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- Location: Dover
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I'd laugh and say I blame the parents, were it not for the fact that what I look for in horses before I bet on them is - a nice name.
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Shadow Brexit secretary Sir Keir Starmer, speaking after retaining his Holborn and St Pancras seat, said: "As a whole movement, we need to reflect on this result and understand it together, but we also have a duty to rebuild, starting now."
No, I don't know what that means either, but to me it sounds different from
Following the defeat by the Scottish National Party's Amy Callaghan, Ms Swinson said: "I still believe that we as a country can be warm and generous inclusive and open and that by working together with our nearest neighbours we can achieve so much more."
For me, I want a party (all of them actually) to stand up for what they believe in and convince me that it's right. The leader is one thing (and a credible position on Brexit another), but I don't like what I see as policy pandering - and frankly I think each of the "top three" Dover candidates have been guilty of this.
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Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
I would like to see the winning party to be honest, transparent and accountable.
Weird Granny Slater
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 7 Jun 2017
- Posts: 2,980
Some lessons from yesterday:
1. A man sitting long-time on a sharp fence risks messing up his goolies.
2. Friday 13th following a full moon unleashes mischief and increases the sum total of demons.
3. 44% prefer doughy and tasteless white bread as long as the wrapper's shiny.
4. Littler is bigger; subsequently the future's smaller. Amen.
'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,782
I think the saddest outcome from this obvious anti Labour result is that so many of their FB followers fail to see what went wrong with their party's policy, they still seem to have a 'not our fault' attitude.
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Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,823
I have Jan added just what you say in the Dover heading
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Ross Miller
- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 17 Sep 2008
- Posts: 3,693
The following exchange was posted on the "Natalie Elphicke" thread but is much more relevant here:
Keith Sansum1
Brexit was the over Riding factor
And of course a lab leader who had a past that many who dislike what terrorists do got to close to
I'm sure Mr Corbyn is an honourable man but associating himself so closely with people who had bombed innocent families didn't do much to help the Labour cause
Of course labour's dithering over the EU didn't help them
I warned it all 2 years ago
All candidates work hard but it's about the national policies and whether people felt C C
Would be any better
Labour now has to refocus
They have a difficult Decision
Do they move away from the membership and left policies
Thus then not having the foot soldiers
To a more middle England
Soft tory type agenda but no foot soldiers
But maybe able to get into number 10
These fights will go on in the internal party which has already surfaced on TV
And will go on for some time
ChazwoldAlmighty
Keith Sansum1 wrote:
I'm sure Mr Corbyn is an honourable man but associating himself so closely with people who had bombed innocent families didn't do much to help the Labour cause
Of course labour's dithering over the EU didn't help them
Lol they didn't dither, they promised to get a good deal that worked for most people and then allow the people to vote on it. This who dithering thing was invented by the media to help Boris win by making it about Brexit because the tories had nothing else.
As for associating with terrorists....he condemned the violence by the IRA, he didn't cosey up to them. He worked with members of Sinn Fien to try and bring about peace because he believes, rightly so, that diplomacy ends conflicts.
My own personal view for what its worth is:
Of course the election was going to be about Brexit - anyone who failed to see or think that wasn't paying attention.
The Labour Party took far too long to make their position on Brexit clear and once they did make their mind up it still smacked of "we are going to give you another chance to make the right decision".
Traditional Labour seats in the Midlands, Wales and North England didn't vote Tory because they like Boris, they did so because unlike Labour, he has been unequivocal about "Getting Brexit Done", something they voted for 3 miserable long years ago.
Scottish seats on the other hand were lost to the SNP because Scottish voters want to stay in the EU and Labour wasnt offering that.
This dichotomy put Labour between a rock and a head place
As for the rest of Labour's policies; yes some were too radical for most floating voters, or appeared unachievable, or could well prove too expensive, but these failings are also true of the Tory manifesto once their stance on Brexit is taken away.
Most importantly it is time to stop bickering and to hold the new Tory government under Boris Johnson to account over their promises, starting with Brexit but not ignoring 50,000 extra nurses, 20,000 extra police and 40 new hospitals etc.
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While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
- Registered: 7 Jun 2017
- Posts: 2,980
KS, as you were one of Beccy Sawbridge's nominators, perhaps you could tell us what went wrong with the Greens' GE strategy?
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Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,782
WGS, I do not think it really matters what their strategy was simply because at the moment they are for the select few or protest voters rather like the LibDems.
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Beccy- Location: Dover
- Registered: 3 Sep 2017
- Posts: 12
With reference to the GREENS strategy for the general election KS is not an exec member of our local party so would not have been directly involved in the strategy plan. He is however a friend of mine from schooldays so kindly agreed to sign my nomination paper... FYI though: With very little money in our pot and a DDC election + GE to think about we made a decision to stand in order to give voters the choice and allow us to showcase our very excellent offering of 'The Green New Deal' which is a central plank of our integrated local and national organising plan .... Hope this helps Beccy x
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Keith Sansum1
And of course a lab leader who had a past that many who dislike what terrorists do got to close to
I'm sure Mr Corbyn is an honourable man but associating himself so closely with people who had bombed innocent families didn't do much to help the Labour cause
How can you say Corbyn is a honourable man.. sorry but he has never liked the armed services who defend this country. A man who invites bombers into parliament three weeks after the Brighton bombings... The list goes on.. Is that an honourable man sorry nothing honourable able that man at all.
Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
- Registered: 7 Jun 2017
- Posts: 2,980
Thanks Beccy. I asked KS not only as he nominated you, but also because he appears to be a master of perceptive political analysis. Mind you, he's not the only one on here.
Better luck next time.
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'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,823
GARY
I did mention exactly what you raised above
It was a miscalculated viewpoints he held as leader.
But the party is looking to move on now
WEIRD
I have Known Beccky for years and work with her on a number of different projects
Thankfully I spend most of my time in the volunteer run community centre
Non political and certainly doing well at this time
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Beccy- Location: Dover
- Registered: 3 Sep 2017
- Posts: 12
I have just been going through the posts on here and found that someone called Paul Watkins described me as ... 'Dovers lefty rent a mob Rebecca Sawbridge' when I stood in the 1917 election for the Greens .... I wonder had this person ever actually spoken to me ??
Bob Whysman
- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
- Posts: 1,931
Beccy wrote:I have just been going through the posts on here and found that someone called Paul Watkins described me as ... 'Dovers lefty rent a mob Rebecca Sawbridge' when I stood in the 1917 election for the Greens .... I wonder had this person ever actually spoken to me ??
I’m impressed Beccy...........102 + year’s old and still in politics! That’s what I call staying power....or were you a leaver?
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Do nothing and nothing happens.
Beccy- Location: Dover
- Registered: 3 Sep 2017
- Posts: 12
Yes and still rubbish at reading on a screen (2017) ...
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Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 6,017
I know how you feel Beccy .My eyes don’t always work with my fingers.
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Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
- Registered: 7 Jun 2017
- Posts: 2,980
Beccy wrote:I have just been going through the posts on here and found that someone called Paul Watkins described me as ... 'Dovers lefty rent a mob Rebecca Sawbridge'...
Beccy, you should use that in your next campaign literature. Maybe print up a few boxes of T-shirts, too.
Votes in the bag.
'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,823
Without a shadow of doubt Beccky is community focused
Always around at community events (not just when elections are called).
We have had the election
Once Labour politicians stop taking each other to court
And settle down and sort out where they want to head the better.
Today I met a life long time union rep who hates Maggie but wanted brexit done
And voted tory this time
He really had lost t faith in labour locally and nationally
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