Keith Sansum1
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Thus this leaves us all with little choice and I'm not happy voting for the least damaging party
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Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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For Labour to get into power, it has to appeal to the broadest possible range of people. Just like in 97, I think the ingredients are all there to do that. That will mean some people are upset, but it's all for the greater good. I want to rejoin the EU for example, but I understand that policy won't fly for a good number of years yet so need to be pragmatic. First get elected, then start shaping your vision.
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victor matcham- Registered: 5 Oct 2021
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Sorry but not for me.
Arthur- Registered: 18 Nov 2020
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I would vote for the party who was brave enough to say that Education, Health and Housing should not be fought on political lines but managed by equal representation from each party. It’s in the national interest to get these crucial things right.
Sadly the Labour policy of university education for over 50% of the population was badly flawed and has devalued the worth of a degree.
These views won’t be popular but I get a feeling that the electorate are sick and tired of the points scoring on the above three national debates.
Whilst in teaching I used to dread a change of education minister because everyone wanted to change the system and teachers were left trying to make sense of new “reforms”. It gets exhausting and demoralising,
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Button
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Neil Moors wrote:First get elected, then start shaping your vision.
Here, hang on a mo', isn't that not so very different from saying "First leave the EU, then work out what that means in practice"? Personally, I like to compare menus before I choose which restaurant to go into.
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Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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Not really, because we know what being a member of the EU is, as we've only just left.
What I mean is that I completely understand that being outside of the EU is now the position, and that won't change until there is a shift in public opinion towards rejoining - which will take a while. So, I don't expect Labour to offer that as an option - as it's not realistic. Whereas some would like Labour to offer that from the off - if you see what I mean.
Button- Location: Dover
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Ah, OK - I think. I thought you were referring to Labour's broad vision, whatever that might be.
As regards what being a member of the EU is like, certainly we know what it was, but what it might be for the UK were we to re-join is not, I suggest, necessarily the same thing. In any case, I reckon we need to get the question of who comprises the UK out of the way first, all the time that membership of this and that trading bloc is not a devolved matter.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Neil
It's a disaster for lab
If your expecting a lab party to take you bk into Europe even long term your deluded lol
You appear from your latest posts to accept Starmers expulsions
Just to get into number ten
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Jan Higgins
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The Boris factor has not helped in London and elsewhere, time he went but who will succeed him out of the poor contenders talked about so far.
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Captain Haddock
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John Curtice on the BBC: “Labour hasn't done quite as well as Jeremy Corbyn did."
"Shall we go, you and I, while we can? Through the transitive nightfall of diamonds"
ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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A tad premature, perhaps?
Dover Pilot- Registered: 28 Jul 2018
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Wandsworth turning Labour is mind-blowing.
Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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Tories have lost Barnet, Westminster, Wandsworth and now Somerset. That's a disaster and cannot just be dismissed under the argument that Labour didn't do quite as well as they'd hoped.
Button- Location: Dover
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Somerset - as in JRM's neck of the woods? Oh dear, I am vexed!
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Oh dear. What a shame. Never mind.
Tobias Ellwood has called on fellow Conservative MPs to assess whether Boris Johnson is still fit to be leader of the party.
The former defence minister told BBC Radio 4's World at One programme that "it's for other colleagues to take a stock check, not just for these elections, but also in the next couple of weeks.
"We know there's more evidence to come out, the Sue Gray report as well."
He said "trust has been breached with the British people and it is the duty of every single Conservative MP to make that assessment and then act accordingly".
Asked about fellow Tories downplaying the party's losses, he said: "We are haemorrhaging support in parts of the country, there's some serious issues going on".
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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With the lab leader leader and his party also now Being investigated , we could soon have two leadership elections .
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Keith Sansum1 wrote:With the lab leader leader and his party also now Being investigated , we could soon have two leadership elections .
In you rather weird dreams.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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It's not though it's being investigated and if he's found guilty which there is every chance he won't be able to stay
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Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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If Starmer is charged, and resigns, Johnson has a massive problem on his hands. Sensible Tories have already worked that out, less so the vacuous cheerleaders.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Neil
For the countries sake I hope your right
But now the canters lab MP is saying lab leader shoujd resign
With that kind of support its best to get out lol
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