ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Arthur wrote:Our MP determined to climb the greasy pole whatever it takes. Can’t believe she had the nerve to say what her constituents were feeling- how the hell would she know? Does anyone ever see her? I’ve said it before and I’ll keep saying it, Dover and Deal deserve so much better than this!
She's a hapless lickspittle. No more, no less.
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#60: true.
In fact what's untrue is the title of this thread; the Tory party is seemingly not in turmoil but, for its sake as much as for ours, I think it should be.
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I popped inside and did I find any leftover salmon sandwiches or vol-au-vents? Nope, just a couple of drunken bodies and a mess on the floor. I'd go and watch pictures of fieldmice in compromising positions, but apparently that's bad.
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Keith Sansum1
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I do think Boris has gone through life and doesn't leave until pushed .
Back bench MPs will have to remove him , but it appears many are sitting back .
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Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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Having reflected on events, and not withstanding this might be rose tinted spectacles, I think it's turned out ok for Labour.
I am absolutely sure that Johnson's race is run - he's tired, out of ideas and sounds like his personal life is all over the show again. The public have had enough. No doubt his supporter's will point to yesterday, but all they did was implement Labour's plan that they've spent five months trashing. He's got to offer more than just regular phone calls to President Zelensky. Against all of this, I really don't think it's in Labour's interests to face a fresh leader at this point - let them plod along for a while longer.
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The trouble is that ALL of the parties sound tired and out of ideas.
Remember Wilson (probably the cleverest PM we've ever had) with his invocation of the promise of "the scientific and technological revolution" and of the need for government to plan Britain's response to "the white heat of technological change".
The "traditional" working class was in decline and nationalisation outmoded and post war we were leaving behind austerity filmed in black and white and looking forward to modernity. Mini cars and mini dresses, swinging London and sex n drugs n rock n roll, exotic foreign food (spaghetti other than in can), exotic foreign holidays (Spain), garden cities iinstead of urban sprawl..
The same with Thatcher - move fast and break things - anyone can make it, smart kids in the city, loadsa money, crap jobs moving abroad, the unionised morlocks in dock and rail and mine no longer able to hold the rest of us to ransom.
Meanwhile the entire planet was excited that we've put a man on the moon without some prat saying that the money would have been better spent on 'doing something' about poverty.
Half a century of the average person living longer, being better educated, being healthier, having more 'stuff' and in the sure knowledge that the next generation would have things even better.
“Bliss it was in that dawn to be alive - But to be young was very heaven.”
I'd really love someone to lead a party (or even a local council!) who says such and such could be the future in ten years. Here's how the NHS could look and work, here's transport, here's communications etc and here's how we get there.
It's not difficult. Other bits of the world are doing it.
The future is with us - it's just badly distributed!
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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I have to be careful here I'm finding myself in agreement with Bob !
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Another accurate critique from Led by Donkeys. The forthcoming by-elections in Wakefield and Tiverton will be interesting.
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I take back what I said(*) - it seems there is some turmoil after all: today's Times reports a cabinet minister as saying "The May-ite wing was always basically just waiting for its chance. It was total madness to give half of them back the whip when we saw their true colours in Autumn 2019, working with the opposition to try to bring down their own government on its central policy". The next two by-elections will indeed be interesting as presumably the Tory candidates are 24 carat lobby cannon-fodder.
* I'm humbly sorry about it and take 'full responsibility' (no, I don't know what that means either). Moving on...
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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It's clear there's quite a swell wanting Boris out .
.but fair to say like Roger Gale indicated they need to put any vote of no confidence at a time when it can be won .
To lose a vote will keep him there another year .
So there's lots of letters in to remove him
Others looking at timing
Others looking at the two by elections
Others looking what will save there seats .
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Button- Location: Dover
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(#60)
Or there again...
And I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Or, as Vic might say, 'I'll pick up my guitar and play'!
Never listen to the fishy Cap'n if you're looking for likely outcomes.
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Button- Location: Dover
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Spearchucker Hutstone?
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Button wrote:Spearchucker Hutstone?
I can jus about manage a dart when the mood takes me!
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#74
Unashamedly, as the consequences become more and more apparent. Meanwhile, you could keep supporting this dishonest, self-obsessed and incompetent charlatan. What's best for the country, Cap'n?
https://www.facebook.com/watch?v=560420942266948Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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I'm completed torn. I'm 100% sure that Johnson winning today's vote of confidence is the best outcome for Labour. However, my personal dislike for him as a person is overwhelming and I would be thrilled to see him lose the vote. I suppose, therefore, I can't really lose
ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Neil Moors wrote:I'm completed torn. I'm 100% sure that Johnson winning today's vote of confidence is the best outcome for Labour. However, my personal dislike for him as a person is overwhelming and I would be thrilled to see him lose the vote. I suppose, therefore, I can't really lose
We've all lost, Neil, because of the damage that has been done. Best result is for him to win by a small majority. After all, his cabinet of sycophants don't really inspire public confidence and Tugendhat and Hunt will be unlikely to get the support of the likes of Natalie and the countless other quarterwits on the backbenches.
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ray hutstone wrote:We've all lost, Neil, because of the damage that has been done. Best result is for him to win by a small majority. After all, his cabinet of sycophants don't really inspire public confidence and Tugendhat and Hunt will be unlikely to get the support of the likes of Natalie and the countless other quarterwits on the backbenches.
I see Mr Hunt will be voting for change... but not Mr Barclay, who writes:
"In my view, politics is always about the future – because the people who elect us are focused on the challenges and opportunities ahead, not the debates of yesterday.
That is why the next general election will be decided on who offers the best vision for the future of the United Kingdom, not on prior mistakes or successes.
Our remarkable vaccine rollout – the fastest in Europe – and our unprecedented economic support during Covid helped save lives and livelihoods. But that won’t form the basic choice in front of voters next time. Equally, nor will the mistakes – for example, the contents of the Sue Gray report."
There see - I always thought that the past gives hints about the future.
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