howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Say goodbye to your stake money Neil as Farage is wholeheartedly backing Henry Bolton in the leadership election. In the event of the anti Islam candidate winning the colourful Arron Banks is ready to payroll a new party with Farage at the helm.
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Brian Dixon
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farage,such an incureable bore.
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Weird Granny Slater
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I'd imagine that if Waters (or even perhaps Whittle, although he's a little too old) were to win then UKIP would seek to follow the German model and become a kind of Alternative für Großbritannien. In this guise they could tap in to the marrow-deep racism of a good number of the UK electorate and do quite well in terms of votes but, in the absence of some form of PR, they’ll have virtually no chance of parliamentary representation any time soon.
Some of the disaffected UKIPers could in that case follow Farago into a Will the Real Tories Please Stand Up Party which will begin its assault on parliament by means of the acquisition of a couple of backbench Tory chancers, but will have about as much impact in terms of national representation as UKIP did.
Should Bolton, or any of the other contenders, win then it'll plod on with steadily decreasing importance and Farago, narcissist that he is, will probably start his own party anyway just to keep his beery mug on the telly.
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Button
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Cliff-edge Brexit (as I understand Mr Farage is in favour of); now there's a vision to conjure with!
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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I am a great believer in a third party to put pressure on the Government or even better being in coalition. The last opinion poll shows UKIP and the Lib Dems with a total of 4% support between them. In my view Henry Bolton is the only plausible candidate for the former and is capable of bringing back lost support through media appearances, which would be sufficient to make the two main parties nervous in marginal seats but I suspect that newer members are there to hijack the party for their own purposes and Ms Waters will be the chosen one.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
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howard mcsweeney1 wrote:I am a great believer in a third party to put pressure on the Government or even better being in coalition.
The UK's first-past-the-post voting system pretty much precludes this. Post-war, aside from UKIP (which had no parliamentary impact other than a couple of stolen Tories) and the doughty Caroline Lucas from the Greens, the only other 'new' party to gain any seats was the SDP, which was a Labour spin-off, had to team up with the Liberals anyway and between them in two elections managed a maximum of 23. The Liberal Democrats gradually increased their representation under Ashdown and Kennedy but peaked at 62 in 2005. They were already on their way down when Clegg took them into coalition, and look what happened to them after that.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Counting the votes today with result expected at around 5 pm, it the right candidate wins the party can still make a big difference to results in marginal constituencies.
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howard mcsweeney1 wrote:Counting the votes today with result expected at around 5 pm, it the right candidate wins...
I'm sure the 'right' candidate will win, whoever wins.
Alternative für Deutschland member and representative of the Berlin state parliament Hugh Bronson (formerly Uwe Brunßen) wird sprechen at the conference, whereas poor Farrago apparently can't get a spot.
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Reginald Barrington
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Bolton wins, does that mean Nige doesn't get his own party?
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Captain Haddock
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Excellent news. A new topic for meaningless discussion for the next few days.
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Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
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As long as that?
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Jan Higgins
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Reginald Barrington wrote:As long as that?
Only by those who have to much time on their hands, are keyboard warriors or like the sound of their own voices.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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The members made the correct decision in my view otherwise the party would have folded very quickly. The red hot favourite only got 21% of the vote despite trying to recruit EDL people and similar to the party so they could vote for her. Surely there is a qualifying period between joining and having a vote in a leadership election?
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Jan, 'or'? Surely these attributes are not mutually exclusive?
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Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
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Take into account that less than a 1/3rd of the membership bothered to vote and less than a third of them voted Bolton, brings it into perspective.
Anyway that's five posts too many on the subject!
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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what those pesky ruskys again
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Keith Sansum1
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Ask Cllr Glazier in tower hamlets and his local UKIP local party who have given up on mr glaziers seat knowing he's on borrowed time after there recent by election result in the area
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Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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obviously, UKIP members prefer an ex-liberal democrat candidate, over an anty Islamic candidate.
