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Excellent DVD from Liverpool on this subject.The traders who were objectors [including the Town Centre Manager] admiited they got it wrong & would chain themselves to the screen's mountings now if anybody proposed or tried to remove it. It has had a significant impact in increasing trade. Nigel is not alone in his support & the Council with a couple of exceptions voted for its funding & location. The rest is down to the Planning Committee. I would not wish to comment on the decision at this stage, only hope common sense prevails.
Watty
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Phil ,tha is not the only objection .It is unsightly will take up a lot of space in The Market Square .
Will discourage people who use our Musuem and Discovery Centre .Its bad enough now going past the Eight Bells .
Ask some of the people whp have comerrcial business in that area One Estate Agent was at the Planninmg meeting .
There will be an ongoing cost .
It is i n the wrong place .
I have just spoken to my brother in law ..He lives in Cornwall .
Apparantly never goes to Plymouth these days as it has gone down hill.Truro is nonow the hub .
I will carry on with my research .
I will ask my sons friend who lives near Norwich
Never say die althpough Illustrious Leader has spoken
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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sue,here is something to think about.a few years ago when we had the hovercraft running did the residents of the market square complain to you or any other counciler about the noise and the smell of the fumes of the hovercraft.in short no they didnt.
Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
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Yesterday evening I watched a car drive down Castle Street, turn into the square and drive up to a cash-point at Barclays before slowing down with an audible squeal of his brakes. Just a little something to think about.
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Sue
I'd be really interested in what your brother in law in Cornwall and your son's friend 'who lives near Norwich' think about Dover getting an outside tv erected in Dover.While you are at it you could ask my mate Joe Asasbo in Timbuktu or the wifes family in Manila.I'm sure they have all got an opinion but what really counts is the opinion of Dover and the surrounding areas townsfolk and residents.
You wrote earlier that working for the GPO made you a good public speaker maybe but perhaps you should have also added but really delivers' to the end of your sentence.
I hope that common sense prevails and the TV screen gets voted in.Its not the Hoover dam for gawds sake it can be dismantled and moved away.But lets give it a go...please.We have nothing to lose and a lot to gain.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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nigel's post summed the whole thing up, in precis form it said to me, stand still and get further decay or try to take a step forward.
the entire town council and all but 2 of the district council are for it.
every shade of political opinion here.
i am bemused by the comment that people would be deterred from visiting the museum and discovery centre.
Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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Sue,
We are all entitled to our opinions and that is as it should be, but opinions are just personal feelings, facts are an important part of making decisions, I could point out many facts that have been posted, that for some reason you choose to ignore, but I think your Leaders fact is enough to make my point, ".The traders who were objectors [including the Town Centre Manager] admitted they got it wrong & would chain themselves to the screen's mountings now if anybody proposed or tried to remove it. It has had a significant impact in increasing trade."
A fact, that surely you would want to happen in Dover?
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Guest 644- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Sorry Sue, but to address your objections, they don't really amount to much in comparison to the potential benefits listed earlier.
"It is unsightly will take up a lot of space in The Market Square"
It's on a pillar that people can walk round. It will block less pavement area than the Christmas Tree and may take someone an entire extra second to walk around.
"Will discourage people who use our Musuem and Discovery Centre .Its bad enough now going past the Eight Bells" .
Why? Imagine if the Bronze Age Boat were to be advertised on the screen with an arrow pointing to the museum? It should increase visitors, not deter them by attracting them to the Market Square and showing what is available.
"Ask some of the people whp have comerrcial business in that area One Estate Agent was at the Planninmg meeting" .
And they said...?
"There will be an ongoing cost .
Just over £6k per year until after the Olympics, less than a new streetlamp in Ashford and peanuts to DDC.
"It is i n the wrong place ."
This I agree with you. Pencester Park would be a better location, but if we have no choice in the initial setting up, then we should get it installed and worry about moving it later.
"I have just spoken to my brother in law ..He lives in Cornwall .
Apparantly never goes to Plymouth these days as it has gone down hill.Truro is nonow the hub ."
I have a friend in New Zealand, he says it is very nice.
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Great one from Phil there - it will certainly help if there is the ability to point people in the direction of a major event with maps, times, etc
Been nice knowing you :)
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Just come back from my elder sons .It was lovely watching the rugby large screen glass of wine in one hand, grandson feeding me chocolates .My sons although strongly opposed will not write in as to do this would would look like a put up job .My Grandaughter thinks its a waste of money would rather watch TV at home
My daughter in law thinks the money would be better spent on toilets in Russell Gardens .the dog walkers have to use the bushes .So much for my mate Nigel being in touch .
I would rather see money spent on basic facilities .Still im just old fashioned .
How long have we had to wait for the Sea Sports Centre something I argued for years ago .Nigel was apposed to this when it was further along Marine Parade .
He doesnt bat an eyelid when the young lads who help out have to pay high rates to park their cars .Work all day helping young people and have to spend money on parking .Dont tell me Im out of touch .For years I made sure money was kept in the budget for this .
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Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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But Sue, the money is for a TV or nothing.... maintenance is peanuts.
Been nice knowing you :)
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Sue
If it all goes tits up at least you will have the satisfaction of saying "I told you so" and if as I suspect its a roaring success then at least the whole town has benefited. So you are in a win win situation.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Guest 673- Registered: 16 Jun 2008
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Bit of feedback from abroad, courtesy of my brother-in-law Stephen who is an Electronics Officer on OOCL boxboats and home on leave in Dover at the moment.
This is Times Square in Causeway Bay on Hong Kong Island. It is the hub of Hong Kong and the central meeting point. People say "meet you by the clock or under the big TV screen." The big TV is to the right of the clock in the picture, on the side of Lane Crawford department store. It shows rolling news, pop videos, funny commercials etc. The area is very busy, spotlessly clean and properly policed.
The block which it faces, behind the Chivas adverts on the right of the picture, houses the Shama serviced apartments. These are some of the most luxurious and expensive apartments on the planet. The residents have no complaints whatsoever about the giant TV facing them, which operates until after midnight.
http://www.shama.com/
Ross Miller
- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 17 Sep 2008
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Sue all the under 40's that I talk to, who all live in Dover are in favour of the screen, they see it as part and parcel of modern life.
As for what you might spend the money on if not on this; what can you buy for £6,000 these days, certainly not a block of toilets, in fact it would not pay for the contract to keep the toilets clean. The fact is that the cost of this screen to Dover is £6k per year for the next 3 years.
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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sue, for the second time as in as many days did the residents and shop owners complain about the noise and polution from the hovercraft?.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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wasting your breath here brian, susan is much better at talking than listening.
i have a long list of questions that i have asked of her, no replies though.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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yeah typical women though,allways got an answer you dont want.
Hey! Watch it!!!
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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bern,wasnt taking a dig at you just sue.
Guest 682- Registered: 19 Jan 2009
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I have spoken with many in Castle Ward - most are saying to me that it is a good idea - fact - yes, I am in touch with my whole ward.
Mostly it appears to be basically fear of the unkown - fully understandable - and not knowing the full potential - many only know what has been in the local press - headline - 'Hundreds Oppose Big TV' for example and information from objectors.
As I said yesterday, I can see where objections are coming from and anticipated this so ensured that when I was advised of the proposition the Chairman of the Dolpghin House Residents Group and the Chairman of the Dover Society were asked to attend and both did albeit at short notice but that was the same for all of us. They were free to ask any questions they wanted to and listened to comments from all represented at the meeting including Kent Police.
Yes, to address the majoprity of issues, it will take detailed and serious managing but I'm sure it can be done and adjusted as things move along. I understand that screen content meetings will be very regular to discuss programming tailored to suit the Dover community.
I could walk round picking people who would object or vice versa to get an opioion - I don't and never will, I speak with people of all views - just as Sue says she does.
Yesterday afternoon I bumped into a guy who I have not seen for many years to speak with - old Dover lad - grew up in Dover - Aycliffe like me, who also thought what a good opportuntiy for Dover this is - he said that he wished he had the drive to get involved like I have to make a difference to our lot as he was fed up with seeing Dover as it currently is. He remarked how he loves taking his grandchildren to the new play area in Pencester Gardens - that was a gamble whether it could succeed and would it be what the youngsters wanted, an opportuntiy that was available to Dover, so we grabbed it - couldn't afford not too.
I am sorry that I am not in touch with Sue's family, apart from her great late husband, Paul, but she didn't mention how many of them lived IN Dover and whether they had read the full set of documents or just had her version.
My niece in Chester-le- Street thinks it is a fantastic idea for Dover - she, like me, was born in Dover where her roots still are - it was marriage that moved her to the North.
My old Mum, who lives just yards from the Market Square said it will be good to see some life in the town.
On the Watersport Centre - don't see how this is one of my misjudgements as I wasn't a Councillor when the suggestion to build it further along the sea front was turned down - if I recall correctly, is was mainly due to opposition from the every day swimmers - both Sue & I have an every day swimmer as a colleague who, from memory, was very much against it being there.
