Karlos- Location: Dover
- Registered: 1 Oct 2012
- Posts: 2,495
Dtiz map now says "Hotel Let" Is it back to being a Travelodge now?
http://www.stjamesdover.co.uk/#!the-scheme/cb3ihoward mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
I am sure that the multistory car park is a grade 2 listed eyesore.
Guest 1266- Registered: 8 May 2014
- Posts: 381
DEAR LORD! how long have we been waiting for DTIZ - 20 years or so and what for - a Travelodge!!! beggars belief.
Jack of Hearts
Paul Watkins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 9 Nov 2011
- Posts: 2,226
Add a six screen Cine world complex with Frankie & Benny's, plus another under offer unit in that block ready to announce.
A major High St /out of town fashion retailer signed to add to M & S & further retailer under offer in the main block.
Construction under way for a block of flats in Castle St /Woolcomber St, I'd say things are moving Jack but that does not suit your agenda.
Judith Roberts- Registered: 15 May 2012
- Posts: 637
I am very pleased to see that things are gathering momentum at last and starting to feel optimistic that DTIZ will happen. I was going to add in my lifetime, but that would be slipping into the negativity that tends to dominate discussions about DTIZ. Any idea of when we will hear about the Burlington House CPO Paul?
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 14,118
Must say I am feeling better about it all then anytime before ,the last thing that needs to happen now is the council to change at the election that will put it back. So if it can keep moving on I might see most of it up in my life time.God willing.
Guest 1266- Registered: 8 May 2014
- Posts: 381
Paul, there is already a 10 screen cinema at Westwood Cross with a huge variety of restaurants, so the six screen cinema and a Frankie & Benny's isn't exactly highly anticipated by myself to be quite honest and lets face it if the CPO had gone through before Christmas the earliest it could open is 2017. More likely 2020 now and a lot can happen, Cineworld have still not committed to start construction! I expect lots of DDC spin up to the May election but reality is - you have achieved nothing so far.
Jack of Hearts
Paul Watkins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 9 Nov 2011
- Posts: 2,226
Not long I hope for CPO Judith
Two Secretary of State decisions.
Dept, Communities & Local Gov. for Planning aspect & Dept. for Transport for road stopping up.
All about process. The transport objections were all withdrawn bar the original County Hotel objection which stands for both aspects.
It is so frustrating. An Inspector deals with the Inquiry,makes a decision, delivers it to the government who then check it for technical & legal impediments before passing it to the Sec of States to agree or not.
In this case nobody has challenged the decision with an alternative scheme, the main reason for judgement refusal.
Paul Watkins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 9 Nov 2011
- Posts: 2,226
Well Jack , again I'd bow to your superior knowledge if I felt you knew what you were talking about. But never mind this does not fit in with your agenda. Site preparation for hotel site & Castle St block will commence in next few weeks.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 14,118
Mr Heart it is not Dover that will show any down turn with the new builds in trade but places like Westwood cross or Ashford. Because it will mean the Dover public will not have to go there even Deal and Folkestone will be better off, Dover is on their own door step.
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,832
I assume Jack possibly lives nearer to Westwood Cross (Deal?) than those of us who live in Dover, my family tend to travel to Ashford rather than Westwood Cross.
Unless there is an improved bus service to the DTIZ/St James area the only proposed business to draw me to that part of town is M&S and that will be only very occasionally.
I just hope we will end up with something in that area for the younger population and those who do not have much money to spend.
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Reginald Barrington
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
- Posts: 3,236
I hope the parking ends up free it'll be one of the biggest issues once its up and running, dovorians all no where to park to avoid paying, and will avoid the area like the plague if the council just take advantage of it.
Arte et Marte
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 14,118
I agree sir it must be fee parking like both Westwood and Ashford.And Whitfield.
Guest 1266- Registered: 8 May 2014
- Posts: 381
Vic, why would Folkestone and Deal residents travel to Dover which constantly has traffic problems when they have more choice at Westwood Cross and Ashford and the parking is free. DTIZ parking will not be free unless all district car parks were also free.
The current regime at DDC will be kicked out in May because they are ridiculed throughout the district and then the whole DTIZ fiasco will be reassessed.
Jack of Hearts
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 14,118
Sorry sir I can not agree that does not mean you are wrong. But we do to Deal most days of the week we do not get held up many times,only about Only about 0830 in the morning.
Guest 977- Registered: 27 Jun 2013
- Posts: 1,031
Jack, don't forget this has been going on for nearly 20 years under several 'regimes', it's not just the current ones who are responsible.
From the DTIZ Framework Travel Plan:
2.21 The car park will operate a short stay pay and display shopper's car park with a 4 hour
maximum stay. The charge for the car park will be in line with other short stay car parks within
the town.
Some more interesting detail from one of the over 200 pages of Travel Assessment Appendices - the last sentence in particular is ironic in the least at his time:
Prior to the first use/occupation of the development hereby permitted, a Car Parking
Management Agreement (CPMA) shall be submitted to and approved in writing by
the Local Planning Authority. The CPMA shall include confirmation that no less than
439 parking spaces shall be provided at the site for use by users of the
development. The development shall be implemented and the car park managed in
accordance with the CPMA.
A review of the CPMA shall be completed 6 months from the date of first occupation
of the development and submitted for the approval of the Local Planning Authority in
consultation with the Highway Authorities and repeated at 12 months after first
occupation. Additionally, if and when the occupancy of the car park exceeds 95%
for three consecutive days or six days within a six month period, a review of the
CPMA shall be carried out and a report submitted to demonstrate how the
development will operate in transport terms with the increased demand in future.
The Local Planning Authority shall be notified within 1 month that the threshold has
been reached and a review report shall be submitted within 4 months. This review
report shall include proposals for the implementation of additional measures to
ensure that the operation of the car park does not cause vehicles to queue back to
the mainline of the A20. Any additional mitigation measures proposed shall be
submitted to and approved by the Local Planning Authority in consultation with the
Highways Authorities and subsequently implemented on receipt of approval of the
Local Planning Authority.
Reason: To ensure that the demand for parking does not exceed the capacity of the
car park and those vehicles do not queue back onto the A20 trunk road. Any
queuing on the A20 would have implications on the safety and free flow of the traffic
using the trunk road network.
Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
- Posts: 3,236
The lorries might not be able to block the roundabouts because cars could be blocking them instead, that would be a result.
4hours max stay=movie and a meal would be a tight squeeze.
Arte et Marte
Guest 977- Registered: 27 Jun 2013
- Posts: 1,031
But presumably parking in line with other town centre car parks would mean it is free in the evening.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
I don't see how regime change in May will change anything, the current opposition party have not been critical of events or come up with anything better.