Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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RICK
Nice try, but you fail on this one.
Lets be clear If this cobbled together govt gets it right i would be the first to congratulate them.
But lets get real, I'v never hidden the fact of bein a socialist, never will.
On the other hand you pretend to be impartial at times but clearly supported the tories coming into power and thats your right.
but please dont condemn me, where you suppoort one of the parties.
We all have differences of opinion and thats fine.
I will continue to put my point of view, as will others.
Thats what the forum hopefully is all about
But like barryw I don't hide what i would like to see
But in case you get me wrong, I have over the years worked with and have friends in the cionservative party or tory supporters.
Colin, I had custard in your honour this evening mate! Can't beat a nice bit of custard!
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Howard - governments should leave business alone, dont hinder them with red tape, leave them free to do what they do best and certainly do not tax them too much. That goes for so called 'investment' too, governments do not know a good investment if one bit them. The graveyard is full of businesses who failed after government 'investment' - look back at the 70's and see the damage it does.
Why would anyone want to see a government fail? Don't understand that thinking at all.
As for getting money, it's out there if you know where to look. SF will get what they need for sure.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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barry
there is a place and a time for governments to intervene in business.
in the last years of the jim callaghan government there was an opportunity to get an order to build a new battleship.
the reds refused to give the company in the north east any help in winning the tender despite it being a high unemployment area.
the order was won by a polish shipyard that had government assistance.
result closure of shipyard hundreds of working skilled people on the dole, taxpayers fund them and their families.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Not a 'battleship' - they stopped building those in the 1940's Howard and besides an order for the Royal Navy would not have been placed with a Warsaw Pact country.
I think what you are referrring to was a huge subsudy to Poland to build merchants ships in the UK. These subsidised ships went on to compete with the British Merchant Navy, contributing to its demise.
Government intervention in industry has always been a disaster.
Guest 690- Registered: 10 Oct 2009
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Barry, I may not know alot about politics, but I do know you`re 100% right in that last line of yours above on #26. The railways, like them or loathe them, they`ve been the backbone of British industry in regards transporting the finished product, and transporting the commuter over decades since Victorian times. Destroyed by previous government`s through interfering and lack of investment, and above all, lack of knowledge on running a railway. I did ask on another thread, what did the nationalised British Railway`s ever achieve? No answer came up. Maybe like me, nobody could come up with one?
Tell them that I came, and no one answered.
Guest 660- Registered: 14 Mar 2008
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Agree with you there Colin
If you knew what I know,we would both be in trouble!
Guest 693- Registered: 12 Nov 2009
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As you'll see on the UKIP thread, I've just been elected Chairman of our local branch, and am honoured to do so; as far as I am personally concerned, I believe the Prime Minister has made an overtly conspicuous effort to be seen to be handling the economic hardships we all face fairly and manfully. He runs the risk of becoming the most unpopular man in the country within a very short space of time, all because the Labour party left the country destitute.
I believe that British membership of the EU still needs to be addressed properly, in the form of a referendum; it's not as though this is anything new, parties of all colours have been promising the British people this since Vic was a young man, and every time they have reneged on electoral promises. I believe that UKIP and other right-wing votes cost the Tory party an estimated 20 seats at the May election, and therefore an overall majority. Perhaps now they'll take their own disillusioned voters seriously and review the EU referendum. If they don't, more Tory votes will ebb away......
True friends stab you in the front.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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More votes will 'ebb away' if the Conservatives allow themselves to be painted as extremist. UKIP is and will remain a sideshow that effectively helps boost the pro-EU LDs and Labour.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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barry
interesting that you think that the blues would be labelled as extremist.
most of the electorate want out of the union, irrespective of allegiances, it is just not a major election issue similarly the currency.
william hague will testify to that.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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I want out of the EU, howard - I suspect though that you are wrong about the majority, though a majority do want a tougher line on the EU as is shown up in every survey. This is the danger that we all face who want out - once the BBC/Guadian et al get labelling those of us who want out of the EUfarce as extremist nuts, and they will, the majority of the electorate will chicken out. Remember, it is a lot easiet to throw around insults and scare stories than to address the real facts.
To get out of the EU we must play a lot cleverer that UKIP are capable of being. Time is on our side as will events be, it is a matter of timing and when a Conservative Government takes us out. Of that I am more convinced than ever. No-one else will get us out.
Brian Dixon
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barryw thats a bit extream,maybe its time to let the truth out with out scare stroies and without bias.
I couldn`t disagree with barry more strongly that "More votes will 'ebb away' if the Conservatives allow themselves to be painted as extremist."
In fact the opposite would happen as they would capture virtually all of the UKIP vote at a stroke. What on earth is "extremist" about giving our own people a referendum to decide, once and for all, as to whether we wish to be ruled by what amounts to a costly foreign power?
Howard is correct, the majority of the electorate would vote to get out of the EU given the chance. In fact I can`t remember seeing ANY survey on this subject that implied that the majority of people would prefer to retain our existing membership. Although the Guardian may have had one of course!
The latest survey that I can find, something called the Angus Reid online Poll, states that 42% against only 35% of people would vote to pull out. I firmly believe that this trend would be repeated at any given time.
Furthermore, I don`t think that the Conservatives will ever give us a referendum on this matter ( I hope I`m proved wrong ) and there`s more chance of the EU self-imploding than us being taken out politically. Unfortunately, a lot more damage will have been done to our country by the time this would happen.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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there has never been a serious debate on the european issue brian, people get labelled little englanders if they doubt the parliament, and on the other hand supporters of the european union get labelled as traitors selling our country down the river.
a referendum on the issue would clear they way for those in favour and against to put their views in televised debates similar to the last election.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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howard,3 words time,money,effort.if they do what you are talking about another word or two would creep in,boredom and apathy.
Guest 690- Registered: 10 Oct 2009
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#22 Thank you Bern. Do you like it neat?
Tell them that I came, and no one answered.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Howard - lose a referendum and we will be locked into the EU, no escape.
Timing is all important and this is too important to leave to one throw of the dice. The EU can be trusted to oversteo the mark leading to our withdrawal at some point.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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The big crumble will start today and will not take long to see the end of this Government,there will be so much unrest in the U.K. by the public because they will not take all the cuts,that it will be back to the polls very soon and this time we will see UKIP take off big time with the end of the UK in the E.U.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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will be interesting if all the threatened public sector strikes take place, i doubt they will though.
the union leaders are up for it but i reckon their members are already accepting the inevitable cuts.