Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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12 November 2008
09:519038I say Roger becareful there you will be accused of
going up Pauls *******
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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12 November 2008
18:209081Sue !!!!!
No one could surely accuse me of that.
Roger
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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12 November 2008
20:369088roger
i have given some thought to the logistics of what sue has said, i have reached the conclusion that you are too tall though.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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12 November 2008
21:569098I have for the past week been going round local towns Ashford, Folkestone, Margate, and more, and each one of them are working on their towns centre,and all what happens in Dover is talk and more talk, Ok the council have taken down some old buidings and put up a fence and painted it white, they are always saying we have not got the funding to carrie it on, or it is the plans that are not right, or it is the developers or the developments and so on and so on,but it is clear to us all that there is a major problem If you read all the letters on both our forums and the local papers and indeed look around the town it is a disgrace and it is the worst town centre in this part of Kent or even in Kent, And who is to blame,
i have said this before we all must put our hands up and me to, we vote or do not vote and for years we vote for a party Red or Blue and we must stop that we must vote for the person we think can do the work.
I think Mr Walkins is that person but not his cabinet even at the very top the P/M/ will get rid of the ones who do not or seem to get it right, what I am saying is that the D.D.C. needs avery good sortout, some have been there far to long and need to go bring in new faces, But Mr Walkins finds he can not do that, because he has a group around him who he knows very well and does not wish to up set them but it is not doing the town anygood I am talking about Cllrs and officers some must go and go now.Dover is not going to get better with the setup we have now.
I am not going to see major changes in my life time maybe not even Burlington House.
If other towns are doing it all around England so can we, or we will die as a town we are well over half way now.When you look around our poor town I will tell you now it is worst than after the war.
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
12 November 2008
22:069099vic if you go to the higher agender post 69,it will your rant right out of the water.
Guest 660- Registered: 14 Mar 2008
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12 November 2008
22:149101I am glad I am not on the Cabinet,because if Vic has his way Paul has got to stab them in the back,now having spent 18mths in opposition and serving as a Cllr I think that most of the Cabinet are working hard,and know what they are doing,the officers are having a hard time,and I am sure they are on the ball,although I do despair when you or I contact them and get no response,there is always a good excuse,and one is a complete waste of effort,it has been covered on here before so I will not repeat that, but generally the Officers are hard working and with a heavy workload are trying to do a good job,yes it is slow at times.
If you knew what I know,we would both be in trouble!
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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12 November 2008
22:219104Brian, It is not a rant as you put it, it is true as I said just look around or even better walk around the whole of the town from the top of London Rd right down to the docks both sides then turn to me and say it is all O.K. and it looks nice, you can not do it for the resons i have already put down.
vic M
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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12 November 2008
22:249105vic did you read that post from paul watkins,please re read my post to you again.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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12 November 2008
22:299106John ,No stabing them in the back you just tell to the face it is time to move over because we need new faces as I have already said the Government do it all the time when things are not going well just to show the public it means to try and get it right or better. If you or I keep geting it wrong at work we would have to go aswell it just life as it is today.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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12 November 2008
22:389107Sorry about this but have just look back this post is about recycling not about our town so I still mean what I have wrote down but I should not have put it on this post.
Guest 660- Registered: 14 Mar 2008
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12 November 2008
22:479111Oh no looks like I will be looking for a new job if the railways sack me,.....Paul can I have a job on the Cabinet,if you get rid of them.....what worries me Vic is that the input from the Tory's Back benches is very little,because we are a smaller group we all chip in,although we have our strong Cllrs and weaker ones,as do the Cabinet,and I am sure that Paul and his advisors help choose thier leadership.
When I stood for my Shadow Portfolio position,I had to talk my leader into it,as he wanted me to do something else,then when the matter wasn't resolved I asked for an election,and only when I won 2 elections did I get the position that I wanted and knew I could do.
But because I work full time what position I stand for or what Committees I am put on really depends on the time it takes,when the meetings are and if I feel that I can do the job.Some of the positions on the Cabinet and Shadow Cabinet are or should be semi/full time and I can't pay my morgage with what the Council pay,so I have to carry on with my full time employment.
I remember when I was Chairman of Tourism Twinning and Civic Function on the Town Council,I took a unusual step and asked a Independant to be my number 2 because he was always at the functions and supported everything,I was critisied for doing that but I knew he would do a good job because he had a enthusiasm and he was duly elected my Vice Chairman that man was Vic.It shows that the best person for the job is the one that can do it,and has time to do it,and hopefully has an intrest in it.
Could you imagine me on Transport,I ride a Bike and because I work for a Train Company can't talk on that,and I don't drive a car,actually perhaps that would help close all road except for bikes.
If you knew what I know,we would both be in trouble!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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12 November 2008
22:599116some interesting points there from the dog walking john and our victor.
most of us seem agreed that the grupenfuhrer paul is the man for the job, but the concensus is that he has not the right people around him.
i apologise in advance for being repetitive here, but my views on the district council are now becoming similar to the ones i have about the town council.
should it really be down to party politicians?
there is talent around that is untapped.
dover is in a position that demands a war cabinet, in other words, neutral people that are looking to the future of the town.
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 6,018
12 November 2008
23:289117Vic ,
I hate to think the long knives are out .The cabinet is made up of ten members .You well know my role is Housing .Im not to do with regeneration collectivley we are all involved . Every day I receive a report of where we could build affordable homes .Today I visited someone who works with vulnerable people who wants to extend the accomodation he can provide .The visit was made you probably saw me picked up, before 5.00pm the officer had emailed a letter to KCC Supporting People and hopefully it will come before the Commisioning body in December for decision .Currently we are looking at a further scheme for people with Mental Health problems ,also a scheme for people with dual addictions .Paul has a team around him some newer members and the old guard with experience .I do hope because my role does not cover empty shops the finger or suggestion is made at me
Housing is the most complex Portfolio,every day there are enquiries re accomodation,repairs and sadly rent arrears which have to be dealt with .Someone has to deal with Homeless people ,vulnerable people with needs .I do hope you get the picture .In the main its the Portfolio Holder s,for Planning ,Regeneration and Transport ..Don forget to look out for the car tomorrow .
Im in London tomorerow and hopefully will be talking to people re affordble homes .On Friday I shall be at Connaught Barracks .Ashford is now becvoming succesful as they had housing growth before Dover was granted theirs ,Folkestone has been b;lessed in having a millionare in their midst By the way its Cllr Watkins .
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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12 November 2008
23:419119susan
i am shocked by the ending of your post,paul watkins is a millionaire and lives in folkestone?
i always thought that he had a maisonette in deal.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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13 November 2008
07:479122I echo John's and Sue comments - apart the last part of her posting which was something that should have been deleted of course.
The Cabinet members do work hard, as do the Officers, including the Chief Exec.
All political parties there are speaking with one voice on the regeneration of Dover and everyone is as frustrated as hell at the slow pace - and the slowness is not through member or officer indifference or lack of commitment.
There are problems in the Town Vic, we all know that, but until someone is appointed to the job (if one is created) of a Dover Business Support body, picking up the reins of improving the Town on every level, nothing much will change.
The Street-Scene initiative, much of the Town Councils Corporate Plan, initiatives from the Loyalty Scheme, could all be managed by this body. It must be costing the District and Town Councils a fortune in officer time and member expenses, that perhaps could be better spent on a salaried job funding this body.
Roger
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 6,018
13 November 2008
10:259127Ha Ha silly me .Thanks Roger .I should have left a space .
Cllr Watkins might well be a millionare but I was trying to point out .For some reason Vic spells Watkins incorrectly.
Sorry for the confusion .I think I was a bit cross with Vic and my thoughts were too fast for the computer.Sorry everyone but Vics comments are unbelievable .
Terry Nunn
- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 4,302
13 November 2008
11:229130As I write this, one side of London Road has been "cleared". The mountain of black bags that have adorned the east side of the road have been removed. HOWEVER, what a mess the binmen have left behind. I daresay that they would say that some of it is not domestic refuse, but bags with food in certainly is.
As the postman said "You should see it further down the road Tel!"
Terry
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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13 November 2008
19:129147Can't someone phone waste services at DDC and they'll send the dust-cart round again (tomorrow now, as it's too late for today).
Roger
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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13 November 2008
20:139151i am loathe to blame the bin men for the mess that is left behind after they have done their collection.
if all rubbish is wrapped and secured properly, put out on the right day, then this would not happen.
roger
the street cleaners come around the day after the rubbish is collected, which is a good thing.
terry
i was in the london road yesterday and noticed that a lot of bags had been got at by wild life (the animal kind), must have been out there for some time.
Terry Nunn- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 4,302
13 November 2008
23:239163Well Howard, when bags are left out for a week what can you expect. My domestic rubbish was cleared at about 14.00 today but the blue bag and black box remained uncollected. I shall be knee deep in gin botttles and copies of old newspapers.
Can't someone from DDC or SITA admit "We got it wrong"
Terry
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
