howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i dont doubt it keith, mind you they have all said that so far.
if it is up to gwyn whether he publishes it, is that not unfair on the mps getting a mention in the telegraph?
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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I have made my position on expenses clear on the ALL PARTY abuse of of expenses shambles (another 2 tories caught in net on news tonight)
do like this people power though
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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yet again you turn it into a party issue keith.
real people do not see it that way.
incidentally, why does gwyn get the choice on what is published when others don't?
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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not politics just making sure its all even handed far to many posts on 1 party
Sid Pollitt
I see that Alan Johnson has dubbed Clegg and Cammoron as the self righteous brothers coz of their doublespeak. It came at the time when the Tory leader was revealed to have paid off a £75,000 loan on his London home after taking out a £350,000 tax payer-funded mortgage to pay for his constituency home in Oxfordshire. I thought he was a millionaire, from one of the country's richest families, prob got that wrong.
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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Howard in Gwyn's case and I think Im right here...its just that the Daily Telegraph havent got round to him yet. His totals are printed on his website as we know, but the totals are not really what concerns people but what the totals were spent on. Thats the real crux. Next week could bring startling revelations about Gwyn but lets hope not.
It is intended that the breakdowns be published by the government in due course, but the feeling is that the government would not have published the warts and all stuff that the Daily Telegraph have been doing. This has got to be one of the bigger newspaper stories ever. Worth remembering that our good friends in the press often get a generalised kicking but without them none of this would ever be known, we would all be none the wiser and the happy bunfest of gluttonous excess would have gone on forever in the corridors of power.
Gordon Brown took some credit for the revelations today when he noted on the Andrew Marr show that he was responsible for bringing in the freedom of information act.
He's just not a natural-born leader, though, and that is a shame. He may well have sound political values, but he needs to be a real leader and have the ability to evidence his management skills as well.
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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As iv said before, all parties at it, and has been said even cameron been caught at it.
the BNP; must be laughing in there beer
Guest 672- Registered: 3 Jun 2008
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AS ON THE OTHER THREAD.
WHEN THE GRAVY TRAIN STOPS, LOCAL AND EU, I MIGHT START VOTING AGAIN.
grass grows by the inches but dies by the feet.
Vote, please, but vote tactically. Or stand for the Monster Raving Loonies - I like them!!!! Don't waste a hard-won vote.
Guest 672- Registered: 3 Jun 2008
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Sorry to disagree Bern but a vote stands for something you believe in, I refuse to be ripped off any more.
Ian...
grass grows by the inches but dies by the feet.
I believe in the raving loonies: one of their pledges is to force sock manufacturers to sell socks in threes to avoid the hassle of the one lost sock. They will be called Throx. I love them. If you join you get an ID badge: it is a mirror badge saying something like "if you need to identify yourself look in here. If you cannot identify yourself ask a friend.
People died to secure your vote. People in other countries would die for our luxury of a free vote. Please use it, even to register your utter contempt for the MPs we have - you won't be alone!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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our very own honourable member will be co starring in tomorrows telegraph, with our old friend michael howard and the chancellor of the exchequer.
i never had the dull old torygraph down as a great campaigning journal, but they have done a thorough job.
Guest 672- Registered: 3 Jun 2008
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Thats what upsets me Bern, people died to secure my vote, only to have the piss taken out of them by ripping future generations off, people in other countries have and are dying for that same luxury of a free vote. They are no better off.
The Gravy train rumbles on.
grass grows by the inches but dies by the feet.
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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Local MP Gwyn Prosser has been mentioned in the Daily Telegraph today and not in glowing terms either.We can look at that in more detail later as its very important that we are accurate with regard anything of this nature.
But if, and I say if, Gwyn has been dipping into the gravy train kitty as is suggested by the Telegraph, then it will surely open the door very wide for young Charlie Elphicke..his Conservative challenger for the seat.
The culture of expenses that many MP's clearly saw as their right and their entitlement, will now scupper many, as the details have been appalling.
One guy I see today claimed for a box of matches...
another miserable specimen claimed for the £5 he put in a Memorial collection plate..jeezez!!
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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The door is already wide open without any 'troughing' allegations against GP. I have have not yet read anything about GP yet so will not comment further about him, yet....
Keith - no DC has not been caught out. There has been some rather contrived case put together, if he had not done this and did that instead he might have saved £22k over x years. Clearly this is a very desperate attempt to undermine him and is not a case of greed such as we have seen selsewhere. He has clearly not 'flipped', has not claimed for food, furniture or done anthing wrong of any substance. He has certainly not milked expenses the way many so disgracefully have. Incidentally they dont count the fact that he had previously paid down' personally £100k off a mortgage that saved taxpayers money. As far as I can see DC has not actually done anything wrong but he has voluntarily submitted himself to the party Scutiny Panel anyway.
The other rather sad attempt to have a go is to suggest he should not claim expenses because he is wealthy. How many of you reading this are or have been in jobs where you can claim expenses? Were they means tested so you could not claim if you had personal savings and investments? No of course not and it would be outragous to suggest such a thing, exactly the same applies to MPs.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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I have found this on the Telegraph website. the information is a bit sparse so I will say nothing more other than to suggest this might be why he is so reluctant to publish his receipts, unlike Ladyman next door in Thanet.
"""""Gwyn Prosser, a Labour MP, paid his brother from his taxpayer-funded expenses to carry out work on his London flat - despite the fact that he lived almost 200 miles away. He also submitted claims on his parliamentary allowances for work carried out on another London flat that he owned although it had not been his designated second home for three years and he was renting it out.""""
Guest 644- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Sid Pollitt
Shock horror Michael Howard did or didnt claim money for something. Howard is saying that the Telegraph is being thoroughly dishonest.
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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Barryw
You don't like it when your beloved leader is csaught also with his nose firmly in the trough,
its politics at its worst and the losers are politics in general, and us, the general public.
This expenses fiasco by all parties damaged politics big time.
It's so, so sad
