howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
I make this the third vape shop in town now.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
Nifties has left the Charlton Centre and opened on the other side of the road near Iceland, much better footfall there.
Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,860
So Bob doesn't want jobs,or a Town centre
Hope he puts it in his next election leaflet
come election time the people should know
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Guest 1831- Registered: 1 Sep 2016
- Posts: 395
#885
Whose Bob
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,860
Oh Christina
Bob frost(capt haddock)
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Captain Haddock
- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
- Posts: 7,939
Keef,
I have made a point of always telling people what I think rather than what they would like to hear, and in spite of numerous complaints to the standards board (only one so far for 2017!) and the local rags the vote goes up each time.
FWIW I spent over an hour yesterday with DDC officers looking at long term plans for Dover which are based around connectivity between seafront, town centre, tourist attractions and transport.
At present, even if you offered me a rent and rates free shop in the centre of Dover, I cannot honestly think of what I would sell if I wished to make a living over the year without my 'wage' being topped up by income support.
Dover has MUCH more potential than most seaside towns in the south east, but a successful future will not be based upon a retail model which has proved it does not work in the past.
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,860
I'm pleased you feel safe in your seat, and look forward to your next election.
of course our views do cross, and I'm sure like all conservatives we will have common ground somewhere lol
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
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Deal is doing very nicely thank you (though I'm still working on our sole 'down and out' moving back to Dover)
The question Dovorians should ask is what, with a third of a million visitors to Dover Castle, a quarter of a million to the White Cliffs, over a million passengers travelling on P&O alone last August and countless wealthy punters on over 60 cruise ships this year, all passing by less than a mile away, they should provide to entice them into town where they can be relieved of some of their cash (and I DON'T mean by that woman who hangs around the cash machines).
Wetherspoons and a half a dozen charity shops, each with a vagrant sleeping in the doorway fuelled on free soup, just isn't going to do it I would suggest!
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Guest 1849- Registered: 12 Sep 2016
- Posts: 440
The cruise passengers are a complete misnomer, they eat and drink so much on board they barely spend in Dover. Unfortunately due to pitiful standard of local politicians in the last 30 years Dover is irrevocably doomed as a town centre. Townwall Street saw to that, as did other ridiculous wastes of money such as The White Cliffs Experience.
I find it extraordinary that people involved in overseeing these debacles have the temerity to come on here and complain.
PatrickS
- Location: Marine Parade, Dover
- Registered: 19 Sep 2015
- Posts: 448
Capt. re#888
As a resident on Dover seafront I would be most interested in hearing what you learned from DDC yesterday with regard to "connectivity" between our great seafront and the rest of Dover.
Personally I think the present situation is as bad as it has ever been and dangerously so. No wonder people are disinclined at the outset to take a shoddy and often waterlogged underpass or risk the crossing at Woolcomber Street.
Have you tried to get from seafront Hotels or residences to the Eastern Dock? OK if you walk. By car a virtual nightmare.
Getting into town from the seafront requires pulling out into fast moving traffic and across to the outside lane often with view obscured by large hgvs.
Perhaps you could enlighten us all about this "improved" connectivity and what exactly is meant by "long term plans".
We need this ridiculous and potentially dangerous situation remedied to enable safe crossing of what is now just a DHB expressway to and from the port without any regard for residents or confused visitors (yes I've met them on the seafront politely enquiring as to how to get to the ferries).
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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D Little wrote:The cruise passengers are a complete misnomer, they eat and drink so much on board they barely spend in Dover. Unfortunately due to pitiful standard of local politicians in the last 30 years Dover is irrevocably doomed as a town centre. Townwall Street saw to that, as did other ridiculous wastes of money such as The White Cliffs Experience.
I find it extraordinary that people involved in overseeing these debacles have the temerity to come on here and complain.
The cruise passengers are a complete misnomer, they eat and drink so much on board they barely spend in Dover.
Whereas in Venice for example? And why is that?
Townwall Street saw to that
Correct. Which is why I opposed it at the public enquiry over 30 years ago. We are where we are with that but it is 'solvable' I can assure you (and no, it does not involve stupid ideas like putting it in a tunnel)
ridiculous wastes of money such as The White Cliffs Experience
Correct. Again my record shows my opposition to the White Elephant Experience (which had ALL party support on DDC)
PatrickS, I can't say too much at present as there are a number of parties who still need to comit, I can assure you that I believe in transparency wherever possible so watch this space!
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
The White Cliffs Experience was before my time here but I believe it won awards and people tell me that the Second World War street was memorable so why did it fail?
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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howard mcsweeney1 wrote:so why did it fail?
Errrrr basically because it was overpriced crap.
https://www.dover.uk.com/forums/dover-forum/war-time-street
On the back of the successful Jorvik Centre in York gullible councillors the length and breadth of the land were conned by the usual snake oil salesmen consultants into thinking that if they could have something like it they too would have a nice little earner without looking at WHY it was doing so well.
Most, if not all of them, have since gone tits up. See the 'Oxford Experience' for example.
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Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 6,018
I too voted against the WCE and also apposed when they sunk even more money to up grade it .I will always recall a demonstration of Sid sea gull and the crab what ever it was called which Councillors attended.i thought it was terrible.We did get Albany Car Park .Why Councillors get taken in by glib talking salesman beggars belief.I used to sit there and try to look interested.
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,804
"I used to sit there and try to look interested."
Maybe you should have been more interested and vocal then the place might never have been built.
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Sue Nicholas wrote:Why Councillors get taken in by glib talking salesman beggars belief.I used to sit there and try to look interested.
The whole idea of representative democracy is that we vote for people who have the time and the wisdom to take decisions on our behalf.
Many of our councillors have the former ..............
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Judith Roberts- Registered: 15 May 2012
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I understand that traders and restauranters in Venice are just as unhappy with cruise passengers who spend little in the city and add
to the pedestrian congestion which makes getting into the shops difficult.
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Judith Roberts wrote:I understand that traders and restauranters in Venice are just as unhappy with cruise passengers who spend little in the city and add
to the pedestrian congestion which makes getting into the shops difficult.
It's slightly more complicated than that. The death of Venice: Corrupt officials, mass tourism and soaring
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/the-death-of-venice-corrupt-officials-mass-tourism-and-soaring-property-prices-have-stifled-life-in-10251434.html"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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I remember the authorities banning the very large liners a couple of years back due to environmental concerns and fears of the damage the vibrations from them were having on the foundations of their wonderful buildings.
Guest 1849- Registered: 12 Sep 2016
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As a lifelong Dovorian I'm flattered that we're being compared to Venetians, however in the absence of canals and gondolas I'll move on.
Not for the first time Mrs Nicholas waives any responsibility, perhaps Cllr Sansum will tell us of his experience with WCE.
PS don't hold your breath.
