howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Her Majesty has rubber stamped things but the PM procrastinates further which gives more hope to the defiant "Remain" voters who want to keep free movement and other facets of EU membership.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/16/theresa-may-can-now-trigger-article-50-democratic-duty-do-immediately/Brian Dixon
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ms sturgeon wont be happy.probably stick a indiependant referendum thingy in to boot.
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Apparently the Donald has 'phoned the Wee Krankie and advised her 'on Day One to build a beautiful bigly wall on the southern border and to get the English to pay for it'.
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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Hadrian done that a couple of centries ago
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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the EU still think they are in the driving seat, there is no earthly reason in law that we should pay money in compensation for leaving although they know we usually cough up whatever they ask for. Tintin gets a mention too.
https://www.rt.com/uk/381658-eu-document-brexit-negotiations/howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Only a spoof site but I think everyone knows someone like this, two weeks in Benidorm and see themselves as sophisticated Europeans.
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/man-who-claims-to-be-european-getting-on-everyones-tits-20170322124636Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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I see the Telegraph headline suggests that Theresa May blames Len McCluskey for Brexit:-
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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The day has arrived and I have absolutely no confidence in our negotiating team, experience shows that the UK always goes along with what the EU demands from us.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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along with the traffic chaos.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Response to Brian from Charlie in the Times today.
Today, Article 50 is triggered. In two years we will leave the European Union. It is vital that we are ready on day one for every eventuality. The most important preparations of all will be at the Dover frontline. Dover is the gateway and the guardian of the nation. The port handles £120 billion of trade every year.
Last summer we had a taster of what will come if we are not ready. Miles of traffic queued back from Dover. 250,000 people were caught up in the chaos. Families with young children were trapped in sweltering heat with no food, water or toilet facilities. And in the summer of 2015 it was even worse, with queues of 4,600 lorries stretching back 30 miles. It cost the UK economy £1 billion.
Ever the optimist, Michel Barnier, Europe’s chief Brexit negotiator, says this chaos will reoccur if Britain has no deal with the EU by March 2019. Others have warned of traffic jams along the M25 as far back as Stansted airport. There are dire warnings of customs gridlock choking UK trade. The predicted bottlenecks will harm the car industry in the Midlands, farmers in Wales and the distilleries of Scotland. Yet it doesn’t have to be this way.
Over the past few months I’ve been working with business and industry experts on both sides of the Channel. We’ve been looking at how to keep traffic moving through Dover and Calais. There is real enthusiasm that we can boost trade after Brexit – both with Europe and across the globe.
Yet in order to make this work we need greater and faster investment in the roads to Dover. Vital infrastructure, such as lorry parks off the M20, must be built and ready. The A2 must be dualled and the Lower Thames Crossing taken forward.
And we must invest in the Port of Dover itself. Over the past few years we have handed over tens of millions to strengthen Calais. It’s now time to put Britain, and Britain’s border, first. We must invest at the Dover frontline.
Of course, the best-case scenario is that in two years’ time we strike a good deal with the EU. I hope that we do – and I believe that Theresa May is the only leader who can deliver it. Yet we have to be ready if the EU won’t or can’t do a deal. We must do all we can to maintain a seamless flow of trade.
The government must know how vital this is — not just to Dover, not just to Kent, but to the whole nation. It will be no good for the Northern Powerhouse if we have queues at Dover, stopping goods from getting past London. The Midlands Engine will conk out if it cannot get the components it needs on time. Gridlock in Dover would gridlock the UK economy too.
That is why it must be a key national priority that trade continues to flow freely through the Port of Dover and Eurotunnel. It matters to the whole of the United Kingdom – and indeed to Europe. Brexit must work for the good of us all.
Charlie Elphicke is Conservative MP for Dover and Deal
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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yep the second coming but more on a regular bases.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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A concise guide to the negotiating positions on both sides here with so many complexities to sort out over the next 18 months.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39303862howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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I note that Project Fear is still going strong!
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Considering that the majority of trucks passing through Dover are from the other EU member states we can be confident that any negotiations will include speedy future customs clearance.
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Posts 404 + 405: call me a cynic, but your confidence seems to rely on a) the EU being logical about things like Customs clearance and b) their interests coinciding with those of the UK. And indeed maybe they will. On the other hand, very little in life seems to be perfect, so it would hardly be jaw-droppingly surprising if imperfection didn't creep into traffic flows at the border - which is what I think the article in post 403 was trying to say.
In fact, perhaps more of a worry than the EU being illogical, is the UK being illogical. Since 1.1.1993, I can't remember, say, French Golden Delicious apples actually harming anyone here and I see no substantiated reason for supposing that the risk of a bad apple will skyrocket the very next day after we leave the EU. So please tell me that we're not going to start checking them as they enter the UK?!
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Courtesy of News Thump.
A staunch Brexiter has been left furious after seeing Sir Tim Barrow’s car pull up outside of the European council this morning in a fairly dignified and reserved manner.
Simon Williams, a man very much looking forward to showing the world that Britain is the greatest nation there is, assumed there would be some kind of Olympic-style torch ceremony today.
“I’m not really sure what I was expecting,” Simon told us.
“At the very least some kind of mega bus with the Union Jack emblazoned on it playing rule Britannia, I guess.
“What would have been ideal though was a relay of EDL, BNP and UKIP members parading the flaming document through the streets of Hull before getting to Brussels and setting fire to the European Parliament.”
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