Brexit
- 30 March 2017 23:34325927One of the biggest changes we will see from now on will be that every time something goes wrong, late trains, underfunded NHS, welfare cuts, it will be the fault of brexit rather than 'the previous government', or 'the financial crisis' or whatever other pathetic excuse our lying cheating parliamentarians use. Brexit will be a lovely get out clause for them all from now on, and we can't argue the point.
As a small aside, I was talking to a Swedish Doctor, and his medical researcher wife who were both genuinely devastated that the UK was leaving the EU, which really came as a bit of a shock. They were saying how valuable the UKs contribution to EU-wide medical research is, and how it will be missed. - Jan Higgins
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31 March 2017 08:23325933Do those doctors really think that the medics will no longer cooperate with each other to get cures for illnesses because of Brexit and I thought doctors were supposed to be intelligent.
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31 March 2017 11:28325950It's not only doctors Jan it's scientific research in general which is international. It was ever thus.
There is no reason any of this should change post-Brexit.
I have a close family member who is a leading researcher in photo-voltaics at Imperial. His team here is truly international and his research takes him to South Korea & USA as well as Finland and other EU countries.
The idea that post 2019 he will continue co-operating with the rest of the world whilst shunning anyone from the EU is ludicrous to the extreme.
The world has always been slightly larger than the EU. Is it any wonder that one in ten countries are led by someone who has been educated in Britain?
Personally I'd like to see a new scholarship scheme designed to ensure that hundreds of the EU’s brightest young people are brought to study at UK universities every year, to show we’re not pulling up the drawbridge.
People with skills and talent will always be able to settle almost anywhere they want. They always have. Which is why I'm still in the UK! (thought I'd get that in before someone else did)
Jan Higgins, Bob Whysman and howard mcsweeney1 like this"Shall we go, you and I, while we can? Through the transitive nightfall of diamonds" - 31 March 2017 11:49325951the Tory party will look very wet com 2020 if the EU gets its way ?Bob Whysman likes this
- Brian Dixon
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31 March 2017 13:42325961do they [the courts] still do transportation to Australia. - Bob Whysman
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31 March 2017 13:55325963Brian Dixon wrote:do they [the courts] still do transportation to Australia.
I hope that you are not suggesting that the taxpayer funds your way to Australia Brian......stay and help make Brexit successful!
Do nothing and nothing happens. - Brian Dixon
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31 March 2017 14:10325964nah thanks bob brexit sucks. - Captain Haddock
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31 March 2017 14:52325966Brian Dixon wrote:nah thanks bob brexit sucks.
So does gravity. In both cases - get used to it.Bob Whysman likes this"Shall we go, you and I, while we can? Through the transitive nightfall of diamonds" - 31 March 2017 17:52325984Part of Mr Dixons D,AND A make up is from France.
- 31 March 2017 18:08325986Last time I saw Brian he wasn't wearing any make up, must be a weekend thing.Bob Whysman likes this
- Brian Dixon
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31 March 2017 19:24325994neither howard,was planning to buy the whole of france and turn it into a frog farm,while living in belguim trying out the 370 beers and venison steaks.Bob Whysman likes this - Bob Whysman
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1 April 2017 20:07326066With the Brexit 'negotiations' getting more fraught by the day, perhaps a change of tactics might not go amiss.
Consider this:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-20673534
Population of 1,811,000, of these 899,000 regard themselves as British.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-37031666
Population of Scotland 5,373,000. In the referendum there were 1,661,191 remainers.
Solution to the Ireland/EU open border fiasco and some Scottish independence demands, could be to create a united Ireland and help those with strong work ethics and British loyalties to relocate within the U.K. mainland.
Send the 'remainers' plus any others in Scotland who would prefer it, including the Holyrood self- important opportunists, to Ireland to complete the deal.
It's only a matter of time before the Calais border checks disappear too, so some serious thinking on this issue is a matter of urgency. I'm not aware of how much freight is, or will in the future, come through this port to Dover but it certainly needs addressing now.
In my simplistic world I wonder whether increased container use, rather than lorries, could be part of a solution to this which might make the border more secure and the roads less congested?
The solution for Spain's latest attempted grab of Gibraltar could possibly be solved by leasing a military base on the rock to America, for say 100 years, which would retain the attachment to the UK which a huge majority voted in favour of (99%).
I bet the Russians are relishing what they are witnessing within Europe; the infighting and the falling out of NATO members big time and also the refusal by the Germans to up their defence spending within NATO. This is happening without needing much, or indeed any, input from them!
Do nothing and nothing happens. - 1 April 2017 21:01326067Quote.Population of 1,811,000, of these 899,000 regard themselves as British.
I must be missing something here as the link does not say that, it refers to numbers of people claiming to have a religion or none at all. Adding to that many loyalists would describe themselves as Ulstermen/women but still want to be part of the UK. I don't believe that the majority in the six counties want to be part of a united Ireland, much as Gibraltarians want to be part of Spain. - Bob Whysman
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1 April 2017 21:52326069howard mcsweeney1 wrote:Quote.Population of 1,811,000, of these 899,000 regard themselves as British.
I must be missing something here as the link does not say that, it refers to numbers of people claiming to have a religion or none at all. Adding to that many loyalists would describe themselves as Ulstermen/women but still want to be part of the UK. I don't believe that the majority in the six counties want to be part of a united Ireland, much as Gibraltarians want to be part of Spain.
I took this figure from the following info in the article
Two-fifths (40%) had a British only national identity, . Oops! I should have used a calculator as 40% of this figure is 724,400......there are probably more recent figures but it was all tongue in cheek anyway Howard.howard mcsweeney1 likes thisDo nothing and nothing happens. - 2 April 2017 11:47326079Conflicting views on the customs checks after we leave.
http://news.sky.com/story/fears-of-migration-surge-and-daily-gridlock-in-dover-after-brexit-10821930 - Brian Dixon
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2 April 2017 14:02326081all doom and gloom in it. - Bob Whysman
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2 April 2017 18:25326092howard mcsweeney1 wrote:Conflicting views on the customs checks after we leave.
http://news.sky.com/story/fears-of-migration-surge-and-daily-gridlock-in-dover-after-brexit-10821930
It's all part of the lovein that the EU want with the UK Howard. Mind you with the saboteurs that exist amongst the remainers we are certainly not going to find it all plain sailing.
It's strange though, unless all those that voted to remain in the EU leave the U.K., they will all be subject to the same problems and doom and gloom that they wish on their fellow countrymen!
John Buckley and howard mcsweeney1 like thisDo nothing and nothing happens. - Button
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3 April 2017 06:06326113Now I read that article as simply two local businessmen, personal voting history neither stated nor relevant, giving their views of a Brexit-related issue. The port is wary of the effect of border controls on the fluidity of 100% of freight traffic, whereas Motis' Dover business centres on customs clearance for (currently) <5% of it.(Not my real name.) - 3 April 2017 09:24326116The biggest problem Brexit faces is that so few people, on the UK side, actually know what they are talking about.
For example, the talk of reciprocal rights for EU citizens here vs. UK citizens in Europe is incredibly difficult - not just the "knock for knock" style debate that is being put forward. This is because (generally speaking) the UK imports working age people, and exports pensioners - treated very differently under EU law.
So, to take this example further - healthcare is provided to UK pensioners in the EU, because the UK is governed by EU Regulation 883/04 - which attempts to harmonize/integrate social security systems around the EU. This means that the Member State which pays your state pension, also covers the cost of your healthcare - regardless of where you live in the EU. Stay with me here! So, if the UK is no longer governed by Regulation 883/04, then there is no vehicle to pay for our pensioners' health costs. Fine, you all say, so the UK then agrees a bilateral arrangement with Spain whereby we continue to pay Spain for providing UK state pensioners with healthcare. Simple, right? But then why Spain? Why not Thailand, Australia, the US? Indeed, why do it at all? Why should tax payers subsidise pensioners living in abroad? See what I mean? Lots to come out in the wash and simplistic, generic statements/arguments will no cut it.Bob Whysman, Captain Haddock, howard mcsweeney1 and 1 more like thisBob Whysman, Captain Haddock, howard mcsweeney1 and Button like this - 3 April 2017 10:59326120All that's needed to be dune is a simple stamp in passports to say the person is entitled to UK NHS funding abroad.
If you're a pensioner, you've paid your fees. If not you pay a contribution fee at the post office before you go on holiday.
This would eradicate holiday insurance, and the government would make money on travel