Ross Miller
- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 17 Sep 2008
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By their very nature most large institutions especially transnational ones are a mass of compromises between rival interests and over time these compromises often encourage friction against or indifference to the rules and often an ever growing bureaucracy ; we have seen this with the EU, the UN and even national governments.
It takes a very particular political and organisational mindset to keep these types of organisations slim, trim and on an even keel, sadly something that many who seek political office do not have, hence the antipathy towards and lies about the EU (or for our US brethren the UN).
The EU (by which I mostly mean the Commission & Parliament) is in so many ways less dysfunctional and corrupt than our House of Commons and Civil Service; to be fair on certain things it displays a sort of organisational neurosis that defies logic (e.g CAP). As Ray pointed out these failings were all resolvable especially if the UK had taken a much more active role in defining the future course of Europe, but it appears we were happy to rest on out laurels having got the single market mostly how we wanted it; this allowed mountebanks and charlatans like Farage, Cummings, Gove and Johnson to sell us a set of emperors new clothes.
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Rubbish
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Weird Granny Slater
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 7 Jun 2017
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'The stamp of great minds is to suggest much in few words; by contrast, little minds have the gift of talking a great deal and saying nothing.' La Rochefoucauld, French nob.
'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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Here's the crazy thing - the Brexiteers are ready, once again, to explode in rage about the deal that's about to be done - even though it's a wafer thin version of what we might want, and we enter into it as a "sovereign' nation state. They're still furious. What was the point? Farage will still be lobbing in bricks from the outside, and the ERG will still be moaning about everything and anything - yet we'll all be the poorer for it.
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Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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It has been looking at a no deal for some time
Problem for Boris is he now has to sell that to his party and that won't be easy
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Guest 3925- Registered: 28 Nov 2020
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I saw an media article today that says the French fishermen will blockade Calais and Dunkerque in the event of no deal, but at least there won't be queues of lorries anywhere as they won't get in!
Arthur- Registered: 18 Nov 2020
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That’s when the whole of Kent gets blocked!
Guest 3925- Registered: 28 Nov 2020
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Yes, but if they can't get out, then with a bit of luck, they'll be in Stack and at Manston and not in Dover? I know that's a bit "not in my back yard" but I'm fed up with Dover being left to cope.
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Arthur- Registered: 18 Nov 2020
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Agreed, but I think Dover needs to get behind the residents of Aycliffe and put some pressure on Port of Dover/DDC/ Highways to move TAP away from homes. It’s totally unacceptable for those poor families. Come on DDC get something done about this!
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- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
- Posts: 3,027
I thought the 'people' aspect of Brexit had gone a bit quiet:
http://www.doverport.co.uk/about/news/port-of-dover-response-to-port-infrastructure-fund/13558/. "[The funding sought] was based on the identified and agreed need for additional French passport control booths to compensate for slower transaction times and a reordering of controls within the port to enable any non-compliant traffic to have been detected before reaching the French control."
Raised in the House by the MP for.... Leeds West:
https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2020-12-17/debates/7D98C6AD-4567-4B0D-9C23-EC07C9407D19/TopicalQuestions?highlight=dover#contribution-9724E81F-1F90-4C79-B59D-B43BFD36B557. Aycliffe take note!
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Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
having practice sessions now.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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and besides that all we need now is the french fishing fleet to start blockadeing french ports.
ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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#5260 Yes - apparently we are no longer prepared to stump up for cost of infrastructure necessitated by the Le Touquet agreement. Anyone reading the tea leaves on that one?
#5262 - French social media is full of references to preventing the landing of UK fish after January 1st in the event of no deal. Whether that escalates into full blown port blockades seems to be in the air at the moment.
But never mind. Brexit is still going well.
ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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A liitle local video from a business in Folkestone.
Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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That's really powerful. I don't anticipate no deal and never have, but if we do end in that scenario, Boris has to own the whole thing. It's all his.
Reginald Barrington
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
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Neil Moors wrote:That's really powerful. I don't anticipate no deal and never have, but if we do end in that scenario, Boris has to own the whole thing. It's all his.
Do you not think some might question where labour were during the whole event.
The lack of any opposition screams loud!
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Reginald Barrington wrote:Do you not think some might question where labour were during the whole event.
The lack of any opposition screams loud!
I deplore the lack of opposition leadership now. What happened to the six points?
But let's not pretend this is anything other than a Tory cock-up of gargantuan proportions. It began with Cameron unable to control his own party and then became a leadership campaign for the most vacuous and mendacious PM we've ever had.
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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ray hutstone wrote:I deplore the lack of opposition leadership now. What happened to the six points?
It began with Cameron unable to control his own party and then became a leadership campaign for the most vacuous and mendacious PM we've ever had.
One could equally swap the name Cameron for Corbyn and Starmer is suspiciously quiet without any answers to anything since becoming leader, much easier and politically safer to let Boris take all the flack.
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Jan Higgins wrote:One could equally swap the name Cameron for Corbyn and Starmer is suspiciously quiet without any answers to anything since becoming leader, much easier and politically safer to let Boris take all the flack.
Blinkers again, Jan. Corbyn was a poor leader, particularly as far as Brexit was concerned. But he wasn't running the country and has not lead us to the ridiculous situation we now find ourselves in. The Tories have been in power since 2010. You can compare Cameron with Corbyn for certain things but not for Brexit. One had power, the other didn't. Big difference.
As far as Starmer is concerned, I am uneasy with his lack of conviction in pointing out the arrant stupidity of where we are now, but I can't blame him for saying 'you got us here, you own it'.
The predicted blame game begins in earnest. It's Europe's fault, it's the remainers' fault, it's the Labour party's fault. Blah, blah, blah.
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