howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Reginald Barrington wrote:What is the 'all ireland peace agreement'?
Presumably the "Good Friday agreement" which people in the Republic and the North voted for.
Reginald Barrington
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As I thought no such thing as the 'all ireland peace agreement' talk about complicating things.
I have read a lot about the 'good friday agreement' or 'the Belfast agreement' before, during and after and since Enda Kenny said the DUP-Conservative deal must not undermine it, no one has come up with any examples of how it could, excluding that is your own assertion Howard that the money will be spent in loyalist areas, it won't be!
Why? because that could destabilize the Good Friday Agreement!
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Keith Sansum1
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Hi Reginald,
Always good to see your postings.
I'm in part with you regarding the spending of the dosh, and you quite rightly point out this, being spent in the wrong way could well destabalise the good Friday agreement.
Calls are also being made now as to the conservative administration can remain as a body impartial which govts have done in the past.
Many ex leaders of the party warned against forming any kind of alliance with the DUP because of the problems it could cause.
But getting back to brexit, it will also be interesting when those people who voted on immigration as amain issue of why they supported OUT is now a very watered down solution.
Many people on the doorstep were under the impression all other nationalities would suddenly disappear overnight once agreement was reached.
Of course that was never going to happen, nor is it achievable, but we are where we are.
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Brian Dixon
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more civil unrest on northan irelands sreets,poor under equipped brit soldiers will be sent there again.
as for brexit,its a non starter.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Davis does have a difficult job with one hand tied behind his back at the negotiating table.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40461496howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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I think Charlie is right on this one. March 2019 is not that far off and a deal must be reached that stops Kent grinding to a halt.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3927879/theresa-may-no-deal-brexit-divorce/howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Not clear on this one as we all have to use a passport to move around the EU before and after leaving the institution and I worked in companies with people from all over Europe before we had even joined the EEC let alone the EU.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/01/poll-european-eu-rights-brexithoward mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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I think most Brexiteers understand, privately at least, that Brexit will be devastating for the UK economy. As such, I think it is appalling that those who used Brexit for quick political gain, like Boris and Gove, not really expecting it to happen, should be ashamed of themselves and should carry the can if it all goes belly up. One by one, I think you will see people positioning themselves away from the potential blame game as the two years progress and the picture becomes clearer.
Conversely, I have no problem with the likes of John Redwood and Nigel Farage etc - as they have always been transparent about what they want - despite my taking the opposite view.
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Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
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Remoaners telling leavers what they do and don't think again!
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Weird Granny Slater
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Reginald Barrington wrote:Remoaners telling leavers what they do and don't think again!
Well, I read NM's post as an unexceptionable and articulately presented point of view.
But as far as 'remoaners' are concerned, I believe the Eurosceptics have held the moaning stage since at least 1973, so anyone else has some catching up to do.
'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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It seems fairly clear to me that us Brits cannot handle Referendums/Referenda in the same sophisticated way that the Swiss can. Families in Scotland torn apart by their one and former friends treating each other like scab miners.
In our one the result was not accepted by many of those who voted to remain accusing leave voters of being ill educated. Thankfully they have now accepted the result in the main and simply content to sneer. There were many who voted leave who seriously thought that all immigrants would be deported even though only about half are from fellow EU member states. We have even had British people of Indian sub continent background told to clear off "back home". I have seen and heard those sentiments expressed even here in cultured Dover, again thankfully those imbeciles have got bored and moved on.
The arguments beforehand from our betters on both sides were aimed at those with a short attention span and designed to provoke a reaction and at the same time improve individuals future political ambitions.
No more asking us to vote again on anything for some time please.
Jan Higgins
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Not Brexit I know but it seems some are not happy in Strasbourg with the internal squabbles now reaching the public.
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Guest 2060- Registered: 19 Apr 2017
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Interesting to note that the neoliberalism obsessive WGS is supporting the mind reading Neil Moors. The irony is the EU is the paramount neoliberalist.
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Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
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Peter James wrote:Interesting to note that the neoliberalism obsessive WGS is supporting the mind reading Neil Moors. The irony is the EU is the paramount neoliberalist.
Really PJ, some day you'll get something right, or at least refrain from making assumptions about contributors with whose ideas you disagree.
What did I say? Fortunately, it's there in writing, so I'll quote: '...an unexceptionable and articulately presented point of view.' It was an assessment, made in response to your half-line attempted dismissal, and no 'support' or otherwise for NM's position was expressed or even implied.
And, do remind me, who is the 'neoliberalism obsessive' here?
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Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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To be clear, I am not for one minute "telling leavers what they do and don't think again!". When it comes to voting, each to their own.
My problem is with those who used Brexit as a crude vehicle to further their own personal political ambitions - because put simply, they are too rich to concern themselves with the consequences either way. These of course are the people all now desperate for Theresa May to stay on knowing that if Brexit goes belly up, they have a ready made fall guy.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Courtesy of the Telegraph.
Eastern Europeans call it the great 'Re-migration'. Economies are booming. Wages are soaring. Poles, Balts, and Magyars are returning home.So are Spaniards, drawn back to their own country after their Lost Decade. Let us not underestimate the gravity of the economic crime committed against the youth of Southern Europe by those who constructed monetary union and then ran it into the ground.
Yet Europe has turned the page on that sorry saga, and this has enormous ramifications for Britain. The EU migrant shock that hit the country in two great waves over the period from 2004 to 2016 is abating. We can now see that it was one-off effect, an historic aberration. Theresa May's cardinal sin is to misjudge these economic forces, fixing doggedly on the one issue of immigration in Brexit strategy as if nothing had changed.To the extent that there is a 'trade-off' between access to the EU economy and power to restrict EU labour flows, the calculus should at least reflect reality on the ground.
It is abject statecraft to risk grave damage to UK industry and the City – or to undermine Britain's "soft power" as an open liberal nation – in order to tackle an issue that is self-correcting anyway.
You might as well just leave the borders open in Britain because they're not coming anyway
Work by the National Institute of Economic and Social Research points to a much greater threat: that we will soon have trouble recruiting enough staff from the EU to keep the British show on the road.
You can see this from the monthly register of new nurses and midwives coming from the EU. New arrivals were 131 in April and May, compared 2,270 over the same two months last year. Twice as many are leaving as joining.If hard Brexiteers took a closer look at Poland, they might be astonished. The economy is firing on all cylinders at 4pc growth. "It's becoming absolutely impossible to find workers however much you pay them," said Bartosz Pawlowski, a former hedge fund manager in London and now at MBank in Warsaw.
"The labour market is red-hot. You might as well just leave the borders open in Britain because they're not coming anyway," he said.The World Bank says Poland has reached the highest level of relative incomes with Western Europe since 1500, the golden age of the Jagiellon kings when Copernicus was at the Krakow Academy.
It is also hitting a demographic crunch. The working age population is about to shrink by 250,000 a year. The country has had to issue 1.3m temporary work-visas to Ukrainians to fill posts.In Hungary, wages have risen 15pc over the last year. The minimum wage for skilled workers is to jump by 25pc this year and 12pc next year. If you combine that with a 20pc rise in the Hungarian forint against sterling in eighteen months, wage differentials are vanishing.
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That would be so ironic and keeping with the whole saga, that we left the biggest trading bloc in the world, when the so called problem was self resolving anyway!
Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
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Neil Moors wrote:That would be so ironic and keeping with the whole saga, that we left the biggest trading bloc in the world, when the so called problem was self resolving anyway!
Because we all voted leave over eastern Europeans stealing our jobs?
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