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- Button
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7 November 2016 16:25320078Post 59: quite agree with you - what a pointless exercise, it doesn't make the High Court judgement any 'wronger' or any 'righter'. I thought part of my taxes went on paying for the Supreme Court precisely so people didn't have to march in the cold!(Not my real name.) - Reginald Barrington
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7 November 2016 16:38320079I think the latter link is the more accurate report!howard mcsweeney1 likes thisArte et Marte - 12 November 2016 18:25320382The smart money believes we will continue to be a financial hub.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/12/londons-tallest-tower-to-be-built-despite-brexit-fears/ - 16 November 2016 15:06320521We have been told that Eastern European workers are worried about their future here but 46,000 have come since the Referendum.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/nov/16/surge-eastern-europeans-working-uk-since-eu-referendum-brexit - 17 November 2016 09:45320564£5 approx for 5 years travel seems not to be a problem.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/travel-tax-eu-commission-visa-waiver-british-citizens-brexit-a7421626.htmlGuest 943 likes this - 17 November 2016 11:17320568Interesting to see how they can check particularly regarding open roads and border posts in France, Belgium, Netherlands etc
- Captain Haddock
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17 November 2016 12:12320571Back to basics.
When entering a country one is granted leave to enter.
Because some countries tend to have nationals who tend to be a bit of a nuisance (overstaying or slaughtering the population of the host country) their nationals require pre-clearence or a 'visa' (for historic reasons this is called an Entry Clearence by UK authorities in relation to Commonwealth countries but it's the same thing).
This means that checks on the punters background can be done before he/she sets off, by the visa/entry certificate officer rather than the Border Farce officer holding them in the SEA (secondary examination area) on arrival while employment history, bank balance,education documents etc care checked out.
As of today the different countries of the EU have different visa requirements/entry criteria for different countries.
The Etias system would standardise processing of ALL non EU nationals into the EU as explained here:-
http://ec.europa.eu/dgs/home-affairs/what-we-do/policies/european-agenda-security/fact-sheets/docs/20161116/factsheet_-_etias_en.pdf
Plus border control would be speeded up for those with a visa-waiver and ePassports (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPassport_gates) which are being rolled out as the international standard of the MRP (machine readable passport) of old.
If you talk to anyone in-the-loop on these matters cross border information between ourselves and the EU on immigration/security matters will continue, especially with Germany/France who we almost trust (though not as much as we trust our colleagues in the Five Eyes! https://www.privacyinternational.org/node/51 ) who will be able to disseminate information on a need to know basis to the more leaky members of the EU which means we can ALL keep an eye on the bad guys we ALL agree are bad guys.
One of the more interesting questions we should be asking is why HMG does not emulate the system when dealing with Immigration Control.
Since we already charge for a visa/entry certificate it is quite a nice little earner when you charge people to avail themselves of a visa waiver to save themselves being charged for a visa (neither of which guarantees entry anyway)!howard mcsweeney1 likes this"Shall we go, you and I, while we can? Through the transitive nightfall of diamonds" - Captain Haddock
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17 November 2016 18:18320592howard mcsweeney1 wrote:The smart money believes we will continue to be a financial hub.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/12/londons-tallest-tower-to-be-built-despite-brexit-fears/
The best thing would be if Phil Hammond (who is apparently the Chancellor) made the UK an even more attractive place for bankers by announcing next week that he is getting rid of the cap on bankers' bonuses and scrapping the corporation tax threshold. This would really show the banks that we are open for business and would have the added bonus of really pissing off the Frogs and Krauts.
To kick start our economy, rather than Quantitative Easing (most of the money of which went to fuel house price inflation - just how stupid are these people), or reducing VAT so that we can all feel better by buying lots of stuff we don't need, he needs to give the go ahead for some big projects (Heathrow Runway, HS2,Severn Barrage)
The only question is do the great unwashed want their house to go up in price so they feel better off, their house to be even more stuffed with even shinier gadgets and gizmos, or to live with a first world infrastructure."Shall we go, you and I, while we can? Through the transitive nightfall of diamonds" - Jan Higgins
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18 November 2016 08:05320619Captain Haddock wrote:
The only question is do the great unwashed want their house to go up in price so they feel better off, their house to be even more stuffed with even shinier gadgets and gizmos, or to live with a first world infrastructure.
The only question is when will the great unwashed be able to buy their own house in the first place. Surely the time has come to make it a lot easier to get a mortgage for all those who can easily afford the monthly repayments.-----------------------------------------------------------------------
I try to be neutral and polite but it is hard and getting even more difficult at times.
------------------------------------------------------------------- - 18 November 2016 08:39320621Jan Higgins wrote:"Captain Haddock" wrote:
The only question is do the great unwashed want their house to go up in price so they feel better off, their house to be even more stuffed with even shinier gadgets and gizmos, or to live with a first world infrastructure.
The only question is when will the great unwashed be able to buy their own house in the first place. Surely the time has come to make it a lot easier to get a mortgage for all those who can easily afford the monthly repayments.
Can't happen, too many people, too few houses, its called supply and demand.
At this rate we'll soon have concreted over the whole countryside. We need to control population numbers not build more houses. - Jan Higgins
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18 November 2016 09:40320627It is not a lack of properties that is to blame it is more a case of lenders not willing to lend money, as my grandson and his wife have found out even though both of them are in well paid and secure professional jobs.howard mcsweeney1 likes this-----------------------------------------------------------------------
I try to be neutral and polite but it is hard and getting even more difficult at times.
------------------------------------------------------------------- - 18 November 2016 09:59320630Jan Higgins wrote:It is not a lack of properties that is to blame it is more a case of lenders not willing to lend money, as my grandson and his wife have found out even though both of them are in well paid and secure professional jobs.
The reason they are unwilling to lend is because of the crash in 2008 when they were left with bad debts. The housing situation is no different to any other market - 10 people trying to buy 1 item it becomes an auction. - Jan Higgins
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18 November 2016 10:16320633Many lenders were left with bad debts because for years they gave far too much money to those that should never have been given so much in the first place.Bob Whysman likes this-----------------------------------------------------------------------
I try to be neutral and polite but it is hard and getting even more difficult at times.
------------------------------------------------------------------- - 18 November 2016 11:00320634Jan Higgins wrote:Many lenders were left with bad debts because for years they gave far too much money to those that should never have been given so much in the first place.
Exactly, which is why they are unwilling to lend now. - Captain Haddock
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18 November 2016 11:36320636Meanwhile in the forecast post-Brexit meltdown a hat-trick of good economic news this week: inflation down, jobless down. Now retail sales up 7.4% Oct v last Oct; up 1.9% on last month.
howard mcsweeney1 likes this"Shall we go, you and I, while we can? Through the transitive nightfall of diamonds" - 18 November 2016 15:19320641Labour seem to be split on the issue especially with a possibility of a General Election in the new year, Lib Dems hoping to cash in on the second Referendum line.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/nov/18/brexit-row-keir-starmer-john-mcdonnell-threatens-labour-truce - Captain Haddock
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18 November 2016 16:15320646Let's see if I can cast some light on what is going on with the Brexit thingy.
1. Some time around 20019 we withdraw from EU whereupon EU citizens become subject to immigration control under the various Immigration Acts and Statutory Instruments (i.e. Wogs start at Calais again) . All EU citizens at present lawfully in the United Kingdom would keep their status quo ante IF their individual Governments are willing to grant same for UK subjects in their countries.
2. ALL European legislation would be subsumed into EU law through 'Great Repeal Bill' so no-one would find change in workers' 'rights' etc.
3. Between declaration of Article 50 and withdrawal from EU we renegotiate trading position with EU so we become like the hundred + countries which have been trading successfully with the EU since its inception without being part of 'Customs Union' etc.
4. Over next two years journalists write loads of scary drivel to sell newspapers and the likes of that mad SNP woman and Corbyn wring their hands in impotence and claim the government does not know what its doing.
5. GDP, house prices, interest rates, unemployment go up and or down a bit (as they do) which is taken as a sign of the end of the world.
6. That's it."Shall we go, you and I, while we can? Through the transitive nightfall of diamonds" - 18 November 2016 16:17320647What a load of rubbish none of us know so just wait and see.
- Captain Haddock
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18 November 2016 16:53320651Vic Matcham wrote:What a load of rubbish none of us know so just wait and see.
Sorry. That should have read:-
'that mad SNP woman,Corbyn and Vic Matcham'"Shall we go, you and I, while we can? Through the transitive nightfall of diamonds" - Button
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18 November 2016 17:45320653Post 77: I didn't follow item 2 (sorry) and as regards item 3, there are some clubs to get back into in our own right. It would help to know what 'what' is because, e.g. from an IT perspective, you can't invent new systems overnight - though I am comforted by the timescale in item 1!(Not my real name.)