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Brian Dixon wrote:re the irish border,would be easyer to combind northe and south into one nation.then the border would be defunct. problem solved.
By Jove, the lad has it!
Starts humming: "There may be troubles ahead..."
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Just because you don't take an interest in politics doesn't mean that politics won't take an interest in you. PERICLES.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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As I see it this Verruca chap is causing problems due to his personal ambitions. He has already said that he wants a united Ireland and clearly wants to go into the history books as being responsible. The DUP have seen through this and know that old tensions in Ulster are easily rekindled by such talk.
Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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If we do leave without a deal, this is going to be incredibly difficult to resolve. So, if we are neither EFTA nor EEA then I cannot see the EU removing the principle that it has a hard border with third countries. And rightly so. Like I said previously, can you imagine the stink that would have been made here if say Poland and Ukraine decided to operate along similar lines? Uproar.
Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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.....and I love the irony that for all we wanted to take back control of our borders and keep the blighters out, the biggest sticking point appears to be our desire NOT to have a border with the EU
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Jan Higgins
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Neil Moors wrote:.....and I love the irony that for all we wanted to take back control of our borders and keep the blighters out, the biggest sticking point appears to be our desire NOT to have a border with the EU
It is the government's and some business's desire, definitely not mine and probably that of most leave voters.
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Button
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Neil, the EU also has "hard borders" with EFTA/EEA States, but frictionless is do-able I think, although the stickiness is more pronounced on Single Market issues than on Customs Union ones - EFTA/EEA not being in a Customs Union with the EU, after all. (And historically the ILB was not overly hard anyway, although too hard for today's climate I grant you.) Take railfreight or international gas/oil/electricity pipelines/cables; there is nothing there at the fiscal border and customs procedures recognise that fact - I haven't heard the EU Commission suggesting there should be customs clearance facilities underground, mid-channel.
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Captain Haddock
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I see that Mystic Meg is doing cartoons for Viz now!
(From Viz 258, Summer 2016. And that's supposed to be Theresa May on the right)
"Shall we go, you and I, while we can? Through the transitive nightfall of diamonds"
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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The Bulgarian Prime Minister has broken ranks and states that a "hard Brexit" for the UK would be seriously bad news for the EU, unimportant on the face of it but with rotating presidency Bulgaria will be chairing negotiations from the first of January.
Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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As I suspected all along, the so called Brexit Impact assessments don't exist. This is going to be quite the spectator sport as David Davis is going to have to fess up that either the reports don't exist and he misled everyone about that (and the supplementary question as to why no preparatory work was done), or, that they do exist and they are still holding stuff back. Either way, it is going to kick off.
Brian Dixon
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it will certainly kick off when government dose a u turn on brexit.
John Buckley
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The trouble is we have a very weak government that from day one has never really been fully committed to Brexit, regardless of what Mrs May has said. ( I bet “call me Dave” is laughing his socks off watching all this unfold! )
If May was serious in seeing this thing through she would have either had strong words with the “dissenters” in her cabinet and elsewhere or showed them the door. Can’t imagine Mrs T. In her prime putting up with such internal strife that only serves to weaken her hand.
The EU have obviously picked up on this weakness and naturally will seek to exploit it at every given opportunity.
In some respects I do have some sympathy for the prime minister. She is trying to push through a major shift in our relationship with the EU which she’s probably not really that keen on, a large number of her own party are doing their best to undermine her attempts, as are the opposition parties of course and the EU itself is quite happy to play hardball knowing that they’re most likely on to a winner.
The revenge of the “remoaners” I guess!
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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john, what comes around go's around.
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Priti Patel now weighs in:- "My views on money are pretty clear, I don't like spending money so I would have told the EU in particular to sod off with their excessive financial demands."
https://www.itv.com/news/2017-11-28/priti-patel-brexit-negotiations/PatrickS likes this
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PatrickS
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High time to call EU's bluff.
Priti pretty well hit the nail on the head and, I suspect, like the majority who want out, wishes to put the onus on negotiations with Barmy & JunkIt not on a Country - and there will be others - that democratically decided Out.
'bout time TM had the guts to say exactly that. OUT means OUT. Like it or not the people of the UK have spoken. No half measures. No fudges. No prevarications. No half in half out.
Parliament is not the final arbiter - voters are. For once let our elected representatives remember that well.
Whilst a mutually beneficial relationship with Europe (EU and Others) is what we all want a ransomed settlement only advantages the EU and more importantly financially disadvantages you and I by giving money away to a unelected beaurocratic institution that is not fit for purpose, and getting precious little if anything in return.
Just saying.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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PatrickS- Location: Marine Parade, Dover
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Isn't that one of the dilemas of a democracy.
Harm the will of Parliament or the will of the people. Who knows what damage may be done either which way.
Reginald Barrington
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But I'm sure the remoaners told me these papers did not exist!
Arte et Marte
Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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This is fantastic. They simply don't exist yet having dug themselves this deep already, they continue to dig. Found this on Twitter which I think is pretty much spot on:
Govt: We've made some delicious cakes
Parliament: We would like to see those cakes
Govt: We've been very clear that the cakes exist in the form of flour, eggs, sugar and butter. It will take time to bring together those ingredients we do have in the way you're asking for. We just need to pop out to the shops.
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Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
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"The Exiting the European Union secretary last night handed over the 58 reports – which number up to 1,000 pages - last night after being forced to do so by MPs."
http://www.cetusnews.com/news/David-Davis-gives-58-papers-on-Brexit-impact-on-economy-to-MPs---and-says-they-will-not-damage-EU-talks.SJbCVik5xM.html
Even though they don't exist, slight of hand maybe?
Arte et Marte
"Shall we go, you and I, while we can? Through the transitive nightfall of diamonds"