Keith Sansum1
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the result is tonight by the way not tommorow
but that said M Wood was moaning because mr Phelps used the words put Britain first she managed to connect it somehow to mr phelps supporting Britain first
to much political correctness
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Sounds like a dirty tricks campaign, we will be glued to the telly just after 10 pm when the official exit poll result is announced.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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It's all crazy stuff sounds like a low turn out in both wards
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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For anyone interested as far as I know heres the resukts of the 2 by elections;
ST Radigunds;
UKIP 50
TORY 204
LAB 276
TOWER HAMLETS
UKIP 94
PHELPS 74
GREEN 58
CON 169
LAB 320
So looking at that result in tower hamlets Ben Glazier(UKIP) had a disaster of a night, and really come 2 years time can't see him holding his district council seat in the same ward.
obviously doesn't have a personal vote
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Labour will be delighted especially with the Tower hamlets result, I suspect that many voted on national issues.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Howard, I think it's also as I say a disaster for Ben Glazier who lives in the ward needed to come a lot closer.
Think now his time is up.
of course interestingly the make up of the council has changed
Labour now has 8 cllrs
community REP 1
tory 5
indy 4
take into account also of the tory/indy total of 9
you have precious /warriner/wanstall not part of the administration
and one tory long term sick
labour has really taken control
I thought come the next election labour would re take control only because they will find enough candidates.
And when you look at it the tories/indies co opted 6 people so had a big advantage 2 years ago it's all fallen apart.
Roger Walkden must be pulling his hair out after stepping aside to let rix be mayor now Walkden unlikely to get the vote next may
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Captain Haddock
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Keith Sansum1 wrote:
So looking at that result in tower hamlets Ben Glazier(UKIP) had a disaster of a night, and really come 2 years time can't see him holding his district council seat in the same ward.
obviously doesn't have a personal vote
Of course the Boundary Commission are about to review DDC with a view to reducing the number of councilors and this will inevitably lead to a different ward structure ideally in time for the next district elections. As far as I'm concerned until the results of any changes come through all bets are off!
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Yes Bob of course your correct and reducing cllrs fantastic.
I never understood having 9 councillors for this ward yes 9!!!!
Still don't how you can justify 4 town cllrs
But it will take in the boundary changes I'm sure bob your party will attempt to stitch it all up
Of course theres also the super council on the horizon or whatever it's called these days
so like you say all to play for
But unless UKIP suddenly comes to life I cant see the boundary changes doing anything to help Ben Glazier in tower hamlets
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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17% turnout in Tower Hamlets and 14% in St Radigunds. I thought the Boundaries Commission sorted out wards and constituencies so non political.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Howard I presume your having a laugh?
The new boundary changes for KCC stitched up by the tories keeps them in office forever
District I'm sure will be the same
Town wise really does need a rethink you don't need 4
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Keith Sansum1 wrote:
The new boundary changes for KCC stitched up by the tories keeps them in office forever
Would love to understand how one 'stitches up' boundaries. Overall changes should be fairly neutral. Just look at parliamentary boundaries.
If Dover were to gain Sandwich and lose Aylesham, yes Charlie is 'safer', but Canterbury is even more likely to stay Labour and Thanet more likely to turn Labour than being a marginal.
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Button
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As the sun rose over St Radigunds today, the 'all clear' siren wailed. Mothers, safe in the knowledge that there were no strange DTC candidates to kiss their babies, brought them out from under the table, and yoofs went back to holding up the Stagecoach. But this idyllic scene does not detract from the stonking 86% landside for the 'I'd much rather watch a coat of Crown PEP emulsion dry' party. After all, a wall with a nice coat of dry paint is jolly useful, whereas a DT councillor is...
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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I dont agree with mr/mrs button
I believe in decisions being made as local as possible
now we can all moan about whos sits on there but that's why we have elections
all to easy to be critical of others
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Button- Location: Dover
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I thank you for that, mr/mrs Keith Sansum1, on three counts. Firstly, so far as I'm concerned, you have a right to your belief and secondly you express it as your belief, rather than as an absolute fact as some do (an ex-UKIP councillor to name but one). Thirdly, you do have a point - I think I've read somewhere (and The Bishop may well have chapter and verse) that so long as there's one DT councillor who is useful, then I should curb my urge to nuke the lot of you/them.
But what turns me off is a) the constant 'will it be Sue, Bert or Harry who is top dog' and b) the whole red/yellow/blue/purple/green flag thing, rather than the merit of the individual candidate. And I think I'm right. Of course, I would say that wouldn't I, but 86% of the electorate choosing not to vote suggests either a disenchantment with what's on offer, or the perception that one couldn't slip a communion wafer between the merits of Sue vs Bert vs Harry. Or red vs yellow vs etc.
Forget the domicile of the candidate, I suggest; the lesson to be learned is turning the electorate back on.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Button You may find this strange but I agree with most of your comments.
Some of the problems within DTC is the party politics.
But also cllrs that just vote one way because they dislike the alternative party.
Without doubt people are switched off by politics, but some of that will be because cllrs of all 3 councils don't engage enough.
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Rather immodestly I must say I was pleased to get this sent anonymously to me yesterday:-
I will never 100% agree with you politically, however, thanks for your honesty, reason, common sense and fair play, v refreshing
Which is a bit of a bugger as I'd just decided I was wasting my time and should pack it all in! Perhaps some of us are actually trying to do good as well as using local politics as therapy for social inadequacy?
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Jan Higgins
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Button wrote:
I suggest; the lesson to be learned is turning the electorate back on.
Exactly and that is going to take some doing when so many say what is the point in voting, some of my own family and friends included, when asked why I get.
No point..........They're useless.........They only think of themselves.........No idea who they are.......Simply can't be bothered
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Jan
I actually in part agree with your comments.
We have 9 councillors representing this ward and we rarely see them.
Prior to my putting up for town council we did invite all 9 to our community assoc to see what visions they had for the ward and Dover.
a couple did have some ideas, 1 didn't even bother to attend,
1 didn't even know where Clarendon place was(obviously had never been to the ward)
So although we didnt get much out of them, what it did do is open the eyes even more of the local electorate.
From this meeting it became clear the community were not happy just electing cllrs s voting fodder for whatever party.
And certainly now many will only vote for those they know are active.
Since joining the town council in Oct it has been an eye opener, and certainly had a local candidate known to the area been pushed I may well not have stood.
Locals urged me to stand, and certainly through the community association and living locally I am active, and can always be contacted, something I believe in.
I am giving out my contact details 3 roads at a time each month and have a number of ways of being contacted and most do.
Hopefully there wont be any further by elections now.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Thought they may have let this one drop as we don't know which wards will lose a councillor next time around.
https://www.dover.gov.uk/Council--Democracy/Elections/Notice-of-Election-St-Margarets.pdfSue Nicholas- Location: river
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There is another nineteen months to go before the next DDC elections so I doubt they would have left this area without a Councillor for so long .