Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Mr Dixon you did not know but a big thank you for putting the above song up ,we played it in church when our son died this was one of his best songs. First time we have seen the group.
Brian Dixon
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thanks vic.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Bookies are shortening odds for Brexit. Remain still the odds-on favourite at 3-1 on, but for Leave to prevail is hardly doing a Leicester City.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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Despite being very pro Europe, I am also a betting man and am pleased to report that I am now being offered a "cash out" of 20% more than my stake on Brexit, even though we are still 20 odd days away!
I predict that we will vote to leave on a very low turn out, the 'scheiße wird traf den fan' and everyone will look at each other and say "how the hell did that just happen?".
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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I thinkwe are guaranteed a low turn out with the ludicrous claims being made by both sides. The major worry for the "Remain" camp must be the apathy from the younger would be voters who according to a recent poll a high percentage didn't even know the date of the referendum.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Voted gone in post now.
Reginald Barrington
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It will certainly hit it at no 10, but I think most will be quietly pleased.
Arte et Marte
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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the mind boggles at such carp that's coming over the airwaves.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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An interesting read. It is true that sterling will crash immediately after any vote to leave. That is an absolute given, so on exchange rates, yes, goods and services will be more expensive abroad. I suspect the fall against the dollar will be far more noticeable as opposed to the Euro, though.
It is true that the UK has a number of health agreements with other countries, but not with EU countries as EU Rules apply. That means the UK would have to negotiate with each and every country - or, just remove the principle of subsidised healthcare when abroad. If that were the case, we would all have to take out private health insurance, which will be much more expensive than it is now and in some cases for people with pre existing conditions, almost impossible to get.
It is one of the areas where I feel a very negative impact, as it happens. Put simply, the UK imports people who are of working age and don't generally use healthcare. In return, we export hundreds of thousands pf pensioners who do use local health services abroad. In all of this, the individual loses rather than the Government.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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British people using the EHIC abroad get free or reduced price treatment at the point of use but the NHS is charged for the treatment. A few years back with the credit crunch many Spanish hospitals were charging overseas patients up front as cash flow was bad and money was sometimes slow to come from the NHS.
A fall in the exchange rates is not all bad as tourists will be more likely to visit and our exports will be more competitive.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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In answer to Howard's point, it is the EHIC that would no longer apply to the UK, because the EU Regulations to which it belongs no longer apply. The Government could, in theory, replace those Regulations with individual arrangements with each country, but why would they? Why subsidise people's healthcare abroad when they don't have to? And even if they did, why should healthcare be covered in Spain, but not the US, for example? Why not Thailand? These are just the sorts of questions leave has not given an iota of thought to.
The worst suffering will be the hundreds of thousands of UK pensioners living in the EU. They would no longer have access to state funded healthcare at a time in life when they need it - and could not afford private care. Again, the Government could carry on funding healthcare voluntarily, but again, why would they for the same reasons as set out above.
I have made this point before, but there are so many detailed and significant points that go missed because the debate seems to be whether we dislike foreigners this much, or that much...
Bob Whysman
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Interesting post Neil on how you see the Ex Pats health treatment being affected by a leave vote but reading the links thatI have posted below would suggest that a cheap flight 'home' on a budget airline for treatment, could still be an option for many.
Unless I have misunderstood the content of these links, I would suggest the entitlement of EU members to treatment on the NHS could spell the end of free treatment at the point of delivery for everybody, including UK residents, should millions from Turkey and other potential members be allowed to join the EU and take advantage of it.
Imagine the cost to an already underfunded NHS.
https://www.angloinfo.com/uk/how-to/page/uk-healthcare-health-system-eligibility
http://www.nhs.uk/NHSEngland/AboutNHSservices/uk-visitors/moving-to-england/Pages/moving-from-outside-the-eea.aspxDo nothing and nothing happens.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Only takes two hours to get back from Spain cost about £45 you spend longer waiting in the Q at the A&E Dept.
Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
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The Ehic does only give the same level of free treatment as a resident of that country, so our expat pensioners are already paying for a lot of treatment that isn't free for locals either and many come home already to receive those treatments it is only temporary visitors and pensioners that have the treatment refunded by the uk, the majority of expats are not entitled to treatment on the EHIC.
Arte et Marte
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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I thought most ex-pats in the EU were pensioners Reg, certainly the ones I know and they say that the EHIC card covers most things and they rarely have to pay anything.
Moving on one of the thing annoying me is that british people that have lived 15 years or less in another EU country get a vote on whether we should remain yet a friend of mine from France has lived and worked here paying taxes for 25 years doesn't get a say.
Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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Paying 100% of expensive treatment is very different to paying 20%! Most pensioners do tend to come home permanently once they start down that road, though.
As an aside, UK state pensioners resident in the EU are entitled to use the NHS - so could come home, but there are of course practical implications. For UK citizens, non resident in the UK, they cannot use the NHS. Well, they can as the rules are never enforced, of course!