Button
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Maybe so; however a fraction of that 12% is known to cause adverse comment on this forum and doesn't actually have any Customs border controls - yet (a re-imposition that spills-over into our trade with States on the far side of the EU). Plus there's services. And trade we enjoy with non-EU States in our current capacity as an EU Member State. So a lot to talk about, once we've decided what we want.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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It is a known fact that individual member states cannot legally arrange trade agreements with non EU countries. However we are a nett importer and I find it hard to believe that Germany would forego their massive exports to us(especially top of the range cars). France too would suffer and both those countries would see increased unemployment as a result.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Could be that an unelected body decides that we will continue to be ruled by an unelected body.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/the-house-of-lords-may-stop-brexit-a7165801.htmlNeil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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Still no real movement! Button is right, we have no idea what we want as the negotiation is almost a microcosm of the wider issue. Put simply, is our fear of foreigners greater than our fear of an economic collapse? as this still boils down to Free movement vs. Free trade.
If we opt to be outwith free trade, then the question is whether the economic crash is either this bad, or that bad. But the Brexiteers will be thrilled. If we opt for Free movement as a price to pay for free trade, then the economy will be fine but Brexiteers furious. So in a bizarre way, we have to go through this all again, which is why Boris wanted to present that immigration was not the main issue. Problem is, of course, it was absolutely the main issue.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Must disagree with you Neil as an out voter my priorities were as follows.
a) Being run by elected people not bureaucrats.
b) Red tape that stifles small businesses and the self employed but big corporations can take as a minor inconvenience.
c) Beig stuck in an outdated institution that is struggling to compete with the rest of the world.
d} Oh yes uncontrolled immigration that encourages the low skilled and disadvantages people that we need with the skills that we want from non EU countries.
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Jan Higgins
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Immigration might have been top of the list for some but not for me.
To me the most important thing was the gradual loss of our sovereignty, EU laws made by faceless people overriding existing laws.
Open borders are not always a good idea as shown by the Syrian refugees going wherever the like regardless of whether they are genuine or infiltrating terrorists. We do need immigrants but not every Tom, Dick and Harry who fancies a life in the UK.
I just wish the uncertainty about the date we are leaving the EU would end so businesses big and small could plan better for the future. I am also sick and tired of the gloom merchants and their speculations still running the UK's future prospects down, it is all guesswork.
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I try to be neutral and polite but it is hard and getting even more difficult at times.
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Bob Whysman
- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
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I think Neil that many do know what they want but it's what they get is the problem being created by those who want to take the easy way forward.
Yes there will be a bumpy road ahead for the economy and the very existence of the U.K. , but perhaps it's time to make a stand and work for the future success of the country. For too long many have sat back and allowed others to dictate our future and in doing so making sure that their personal agenda was number one in the process.
The world order has/is being determined by the bully boys who under the guise of 'helping' other countries are just helping themselves. As has been said previously the EU was born as a common trading market of trading to further the economic wellbeing of European nations.It. has since developed into a black hole for cash being used by the unscrupulous to further their own fortunes.
Furthermore it has also developed into a vehicle for a European political stealth takeover which couldn't be achieved by military action in the past .
The vote was out, so it's time to grow a backbone and make it work.
As for immigration, the following was not too far off the mark of the way things have developed:
Do nothing and nothing happens!
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Button- Location: Dover
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I think actually that the EU had its origins in the ECSC, which was a mechanism aimed at preventing France and Germany from duffing each other up - again. The UK's economic future remains not certain but perhaps we'll see/need more of an emphasis on manufacturing (including agriculture) rather than on services. Free trade means no protective tariff barriers, so I look forward to us all innovating and working our little socks off, at least as well as our future trading partners do, in order to support the pension I'd like to become accustomed to.
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Bob Whysman- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
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You are right Button, the origins were in the ECSC which to give it it's full title is: European Coal and Steel Community which done our steel and coal industry no favours at all as it turns out !
Then it developed into the common market and then progressed into the future noose of a United States of Europe conundrum and then ....................? Who knows?
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Brian Dixon
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- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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be care full of what you wish for.june the 23rd is/was a death knoll for the uk
Bob Whysman- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
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Getting their act together at last?
TORIES HAND PM 'ROUTE MAP' TO SPEED BRITAIN'S PULLOUT FROM EU - The Sun
https://apple.news/AS_ja7U1IRSSBQSsgBmKyEADo nothing and nothing happens.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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Rupert Murdock spin,such a joke and unbelievable.
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Button- Location: Dover
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And there was me thinking newspapers were informative, inquisitive and accurate.
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Reginald Barrington
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Brian Dixon wrote:I am in the don't give a monkeys camp.
Brian Dixon wrote:just voted [postel] put an extra box in marked with an x don't give a monkeys.
page 10 if you want to check.
Most definately you Brian or were you just writing (making it up) for comic affect?
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
don't give a monkeys reg. ive got my burgundy e u passport, visa free travel for me for the next 10 years or so.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Brian Dixon wrote:don't give a monkeys reg. ive got my burgundy e u passport, visa free travel for me for the next 10 years or so.
I wouldn't bank on it Brian it says "European Communities - United Kingdom" on it. When we leave in 2019 or 2021 it will not be valid.