howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Looks like it will happen sometime next year and as we know Dave is touring member states looking for support for his changes that will benefit the UK. Not much hope of that but the odds are he will get his way and we stay in anyway. The main problem for the come out supporters is finding someone to front the campaign, Nigel Farage irritates too many people and nobody of any substance from the other parties would command popular support.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Having a politician front it just wouldn't work. I would vote for Sir James Dyson.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 725- Registered: 7 Oct 2011
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Dyson is the last person best suited to front an out campaign. It was only when new EU regulations were introduced which had an impact on his (extremely loud) vacuum cleaners did he change his tune. Why, this fellow even wanted the UK to adopt the euro not too long before he realised that EU regulations, ironically aimed at saving the planet, might affect his bottom line profits.
The new regs drastically lowered the power that electric floor cleaners use.
Dyson is someone who thinks that the planet needs saving because we use too much energy.
The man's a fool. Rich of course.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Can't disagree with your mini-biography but now he has the zeal of the convert and people will listen to him.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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I can't see people siding with a billionaire industrialist on the issue, I reckon that Suzanne Evans would be more acceptable to the public but it probably won't happen as Nigel Farage does not like being upstaged.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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We need Labour and the LimpDems to undergo a Damascene conversion. Then their tribalists will follow.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 725- Registered: 7 Oct 2011
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This is a very dangerous game being played out. Sure, quit the EU and utopia awaits...........not.
The UK was once a dynamic, innovative and industrious nation. No more though.
Very little manufacturing, exporting air in lorries on their way back to continental Europe, an education system which fails young people, millions dependent on welfare and a place where to produce anything costs much more than other countries for many different reasons one being that energy costs are too high (We all know why that is , don't we?).
Add to that a massive skills shortage, an ageing population, useless capital projects (HS2, the tidal lagoon in Wales, commitment to renewable energy, rubbish rail network, etc. etc.) an embarrassing debt to gdp ratio, 1.5 trillion debt bill and rising, the list goes on and on.
Be careful what you wish for however evil you correctly think the EU superstate is.
Looking at the current intake of MPs, would you really consider them capable to deliver what's required to make our way in the world?
Even worse, consider if Labour were elected at some time in the future to steer the ship SS United Kingdom.
We would sink before leaving port.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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A lot of our current problems have been caused by legislation foisted upon us by bureaucrats in the EU. We need to enlarge our export markets to a much higher level which we don't seem able to do in the current situation. Low wages caused by mass migration has not helped people in West European countries including ours. I have always maintained that the Union will collapse before we ever vote to leave. The single currency binds the EU and it looks increasingly clear that it will fall sooner rather than later.
Bob Whysman
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So that's it then PhilipP?
Do nothing and nothing happens.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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I see that Boris Johnson has come out on the side of the out campaign. Questionable motives in my view, a deliberate attempt to split the party and find himself Prime Minister in a year or two.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Common sense in my view.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Brian Dixon
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common market sense along with a few euros thrown in.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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There is growing resentment in Austria towards the EU, the way things are going they will get a referendum before us.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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if we ever get one that is.
Guest 1348- Registered: 20 Sep 2014
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They must know that if they don't do one then they will loose much of their support. Thought it was pretty iron clad that there will be a referendum. Main thing is what the question will end up being.
Jan Higgins
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It is supposed to be next year with a simple Yes or No vote.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Will be interesting to see the wording and even more so what side Charlie takes. As a whip he will be pressurising fellow MP's to vote to stay in like the PM wants or resign his post and vote to come out.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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postpond until 2030,on the grounds of dithering on the wording.
Do nothing and nothing happens.
