Reginald Barrington
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
- Posts: 3,227
Remember it well but still don't see what intelligence sharing failings led to the attacks. My understanding was that three of the attacker's were known to both Belgian and French intelligence agencies including the leader of the Paris atacks who had been linked to an attack in Belgium also known to The French authority. So I don't see what intelligence sharing would have prevented the attacks.
Why do you say since 2004 criminals could move around Europ .in the 90's you did not need a passport to go to France you needed only a travel permit obtained at the old Townsend thoresen office, and in all my years travelling around Europe I was only once stopped at a border to show a passport and that was going from Germany to Denmark, so I don't think it's anything new.
I think things like schengen are just a stick to beat the pro-European electorate, it changed little at the time only made it harder to enforce border checks which every European nation has been able to enforce even with schengen if a threat to national security.
Arte et Marte
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
Courtesy of the BBC at the time, incidentally I can't remember the last time I didn't need a passport when travelling abroad.
Sometimes key intelligence is not passed on - not only inside Belgium but also to EU partners such as France, says Dutch expert Liesbeth van der Heide, of Leiden University's Centre for Terrorism and Counterterrorism.
The EU does not have a central database for specific intelligence on jihadists - but there are calls for that now.
Has Europe lost control of its borders?
The Paris bloodshed has fuelled concerns about Schengen and the EU's external borders.
Freedom of movement is a cherished core value of the EU - but it means that violent jihadists and other criminals can also cross borders easily, after entering the EU.
Schengen exists in a Europe where national authorities still jealously guard intelligence that affects their country's security.
On entering Schengen, EU citizens' passports are generally checked just for validity and authenticity, but not routinely checked with police database records. EU governments have decided that such checks will be routine in future.
Captain Haddock
- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
- Posts: 7,923
"Shall we go, you and I, while we can? Through the transitive nightfall of diamonds"
Guest 943- Registered: 15 May 2013
- Posts: 449
Sorry, everyone. Looks like I have scared John and Paul away. I take full responsibility for this.
Guest 1590- Registered: 22 Oct 2015
- Posts: 86
Hi Peter,you know it is always a pleasure to talk to you.As to where I stand on this most important of issues ,I am still undecided.I know that may sound like a cop out,but I genuinely am.I believe in transparency and accountability is that represented in the current bureaucratic make up of the EU?Is the current European process of deliberation undoubtedly democratic? These are critical questions that I have to answer for myself and on a far greater scale the UK has to answer as a whole.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
I think you posted that with tongue firmly in cheek John, as you know over 70% of laws as passed by unelected bureaucrats. The people we vote for (forget most of their names) love to come out with lengthy and very clever(I have to admit) speeches and publish them on their Facebook pages but no-one is really interested. Nigel Farage has made a small fortune over the last 17 years giving speeches specially aimed at the more hard of thinking and will continue to do so until the edifice collapses. Whether we leave or not won't make too much difference to the date it collapses in my view.
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
- Posts: 3,370
the left and right
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
what a waste of time this referendum is.cameron doing a tour of Europe on tax payers money,etc.cant we just have a straight vote in or out and get it over and done with,with out of all this jiggery pokery.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
If they kept Farage out of the frontline it would be a comfortable win for the out vote in my view, agreeing with Galloway hardly helped the cause.
Bob Whysman
- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
- Posts: 1,932
Regardless of the outcome Howard I have a feeling it will all end in tears.
Do nothing and nothing happens.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
Difficult to work out who is the most worried, the countries that make up the EU or Dave who has to face the Commons knowing he has got next to no reforms.
hhttp://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/angela-merkel-says-it-is-in-germanys-national-interest-for-britain-to-stay-in-the-eu-a6879661.htmlhoward mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
Watched Dave on the box late morning and it was clear that he was stressed out, the latest country to threaten a veto is Greece. Add that to the 4 former eastern bloc countries who are standing in the way and a workable solution that suits all seems out of the question.
Watch for the knives to come out on his return and the jostling for position of Prime Minister.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 14,118
I am 73 years old and if I vote it will be out of the EU .I do not care if they come away with a plan or not it is out .The UK in the pass has stood its own ground and on its own and can do it again.
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,797
The only thing that might and I repeat might get me to vote Yes would be for us to get back to making our own rules, regulations and laws without EU interference, this will never happen.
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Guest 943- Registered: 15 May 2013
- Posts: 449
The so called EU reforms are just window dressing by Mr Cameron..Not enough.
It was announced last night by the EU Police Chief that it is estimated that there is 5,000 fully trained Jihadis on the loose in the EU..We must have control our border.
I am not happy that the ultimate maverick George Galloway is involved.Our Country is far more important than ego driven idiots.A cull is needed.
A leader is needed for the Out movement,,Kate Hoey,David Davis,Liam Fox are good candidates..I will say that without Nigel Farage,the referendum would not be taking place
Pleased that Michael Gove is on board.Being a friend of Cameron for 30 years,Gove must know the real character of Cameron and its has taken guts.
Either way the Referendum goes,I believe Cameron and Boris Johnson's political careers are finished.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 14,118
Mr Cameron has already said he will not stand for the leadership again and that this is his last four years as leader.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
Dave will resign after the referendum irrespective of the result, whilst Galloway and farage are at the front of the leave campaign then the vote will be to stay in. agree that Gove made a brave decision.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
its an all round epic fail.
Guest 687- Registered: 2 Jun 2009
- Posts: 513
Surely if we leave, we in Dover will have to increase the number of Freight Forwarders to their previous level thereby reducing the unemployment amongst our younger Dovorians and once again offer them a future. For this reason alone the local MP should support our exit.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
Not so sure Ken the single market should still exist-
"Shall we go, you and I, while we can? Through the transitive nightfall of diamonds"