Button
- Location: Dover
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Neil Moors wrote:A few things struck me, first Mark Harper's decision to no longer back the PM, and second the fact that the Tories run out of obedient MPs to read the Whips planted questions.
The 'obedient MPs' prompted me to check Hansard to confirm a suspicion and, sure enough, guess which member asked:
"I thank the Prime Minister for his fulsome apology today. Given that, does he agree that the priority for the House and the Government must be the very real challenges facing our country, particularly the Russian invasion of Ukraine and the cost of living pressures caused by covid and worsened by Russia’s war on Ukraine? Coming from Poland, having helped with Ukrainian child refugees last week, I pass on, if I may, the widespread respect and admiration in which his leadership on Ukraine is held."
The PM didn't answer this very pertinent question on the cost of living crisis and so the valiant effort on behalf of her* constituents to hold government to account was thwarted.
* Oops!
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Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
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Of course Boris is known to stick it out , put himself before the country , it won't be the first time.
I don't think he will go, nor do I think his back benchers p
ush him in that direction fearing for there own seats .
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Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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Button wrote:The 'obedient MPs' prompted me to check Hansard to confirm a suspicion and, sure enough, guess which member asked:
"I thank the Prime Minister for his fulsome apology today. Given that, does he agree that the priority for the House and the Government must be the very real challenges facing our country, particularly the Russian invasion of Ukraine and the cost of living pressures caused by covid and worsened by Russia’s war on Ukraine? Coming from Poland, having helped with Ukrainian child refugees last week, I pass on, if I may, the widespread respect and admiration in which his leadership on Ukraine is held."
The PM didn't answer this very pertinent question on the cost of living crisis and so the valiant effort on behalf of her* constituents to hold government to account was thwarted.
* Oops!
Yes, of course, Natalie is very much in the nodding dog category. She really should make the government work harder for her support - what does she ever get in return for the people of Dover?
ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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She's another one who doesn't understand the meaning of the word 'fulsome'.
Reginald Barrington
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[QUOTE="Neil Moors"]Keir Starmer on the very top of his game yesterday./QUOTE]
That tells me:
1. you are easily pleased and 2.labour have no chance of being electable anytime soon.
If that is the best he can do (a set piece that our Ray could have written for him) god help this country.
He had to read the script every other word for goodness sake!
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Reginald Barrington wrote:[QUOTE="Neil Moors"]Keir Starmer on the very top of his game yesterday./QUOTE]
That tells me:
1. you are easily pleased and 2.labour have no chance of being electable anytime soon.
If that is the best he can do (a set piece that our Ray could have written for him) god help this country.
He had to read the script every other word for goodness sake!
Anyone with half an ounce of objectivity could have said what Starmer said because it was totally factual. If you want to spout the 'God help this country' gormless cliche, maybe consider this:-
The Business Minister Paul Scully suggested on this morning's media round that the only reason the Prime Ministers wife and decorator were at his lockdown law breaking birthday event was because they were about to take part in a vital meeting on covid strategy!
Larry the frigging Cat could do a better job than our current mendacious charlatan of a leader. Are you really that gullible, Reggie, or is it just another one of your 'priniciples'?
Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
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Cat shat in your slippers again this morning Ray?
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Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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Thing with Johnson, Reg, is that he's a one trick pony. If, as I think is the case, the public grow tired of the bumbling idiot act - he's toast. Tory MPs would do well to read the mood of the public and get in first.....if they don't, Labour will be laughing at the next election.
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Reginald Barrington wrote:Cat shat in your slippers again this morning Ray?
Wonderful, factual riposte. I don't have a cat.
You say you are an ex-military man. I thought you might like to listen to this moving call yesterday to a popular radio show from one of your former comrades. I found it both poignant and pertinent. You can then tell us all what he has got wrong and why you are so very right. Or else stop posting guff.
Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
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Neil Moors wrote:Thing with Johnson, Reg, is that he's a one trick pony. If, as I think is the case, the public grow tired of the bumbling idiot act - he's toast. Tory MPs would do well to read the mood of the public and get in first.....if they don't, Labour will be laughing at the next election.
You may be right Neil, but while we have an opposition leader bending the knee for mobs and refusing to acknowledge what a woman is I don't think it will be a walk in the park.
I don't doubt for a minute that Boris will have been replaced before the next election but Labour might also want to consider a change at the top if they really want the red wall back.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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I have been saying for some time , labour just thinks people will switch Tory to lab .
A few might , but very few .
If things continue as they are Boris will retain seats and we will end up with another five years of this lot .
Neil , you honestly can't be happy with your leader who is still expelling his own membership and mounting campaigns for open warfare in his own party .
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Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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An organization that talks more to and within itself than it does others, by definition, is a failing organization. But I think Labour has just moved clear of that phase now. The shadow front bench is looking very strong, and if Ed Balls does come back that is a huge boost. Put simply, it's on the rise and the polls show that. Having said this, they now need to come up with attractive policies - that's the next big leap.
For the Tories, this is looking like a potential long term decline. The cult of Johnson is over and the success of the party now turns on how long it takes them to accept this.
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Button- Location: Dover
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Whilst I would love to be presented with a choice, he really needs to pick a shadow chancellor whose answer to any question isn't 5 minutes' worth of "we've been very clear that the Tories are bad for ordinary working people". He's had two in a row like that and it brings out the tv channel-hopper in me.
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Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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Agree, Button. This is why Ed Balls will be a boost. A big policy brain. It's all about cost of living crisis now and whoever gets on top of that will pull ahead.
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
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If both major parties continue as they are at the moment I am beginning to think only their staunch supporters will turn out to vote. Boris is a complete liability and Starmer and his cohorts while talking a good talk can only go on about how awful the Tories have been, any seat losses or gains will be because of the protest vote.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Neil .
I noticed you avoided the question .
Across the country Starmer is expelling his own members , is this wise ?
Bearing in mind bringing in the few more towards the right of the party is ok , but they won't put as much work in as some of those he's expelling .
I don't think your party has reached anywhere near the levels to form a govt .
And the more he goes down the road of moving to the right the more I believe he will become unelectable.
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Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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Sorry, Keith, that's what I meant by stop talking to yourself. So I agree with you that Labour needs to stop obsessing with its internal squabbles and start talking to voters about policies. And I do think that by and large that's happening.
victor matcham- Registered: 5 Oct 2021
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I am of the thinking we have a good PM he has had a hard day from the very first day,yes he has done some big mistakes in the pass,but there is no one to take his place in any of the partys they talk big but that is all it is talk.The PM does not need the money so he is there doing his best for the UK.
ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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victor matcham wrote:I am of the thinking we have a good PM he has had a hard day from the very first day,yes he has done some big mistakes in the pass,but there is no one to take his place in any of the partys they talk big but that is all it is talk.The PM does not need the money so he is there doing his best for the UK.
A shining example of why our politicians (important or not) keep getting elected, they get away with far to many big mistakes.
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