Arthur- Registered: 18 Nov 2020
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victor matcham wrote:I am of the thinking we have a good PM he has had a hard day from the very first day,yes he has done some big mistakes in the pass,but there is no one to take his place in any of the partys they talk big but that is all it is talk.The PM does not need the money so he is there doing his best for the UK.
If you read a thorough history of our PM he has gained a reputation for being ‘economical ‘ with the truth and hence being sacked in the past. I’ve been a Tory voter all my life but in the past couple of elections have spoilt my ballot paper rather than vote for an individual or party for whom I have no respect.
I listen to too many politicians avoid answering questions and spouting the party mantra for that day. The British public deserve so much better than this. I do respect Starmer though I don’t necessarily share his political views.
A PM who has such a immoral background cannot be relied upon to be honest with the electorate. To say we have little choice is simply avoiding the need for all parties to completely overhaul how they select candidates. Forget all the quotas of “young, black, disabled, LBGT etc, etc, etc” and choose candidates who have a track record with being successful in something and not hell bent on life as a career politician.
I’m so completely disillusioned with our leaders and the majority of the current batch of MPs.
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#281: "I’m so completely disillusioned with our leaders and the majority of the current batch of MPs." Surely not? Why, only the other day. ..
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Arthur- Registered: 18 Nov 2020
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Disillusionment personified!
ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Like a fly round a cow's arse.
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What you all are saying is right but ,he did say sorry and now has learnt by his own mistakes and that will not happen again, but who could we trust if he went ,the labour party ,I do not think that would be a good move, the Liberals I do not think so. So we must believe that Mr Johnson has learnt a bitter lesson and now lead the right way.
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There is, or should be, a difference between a party leader and the party itself.
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Arthur- Registered: 18 Nov 2020
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victor matcham wrote:What you all are saying is right but ,he did say sorry and now has learnt by his own mistakes and that will not happen again, but who could we trust if he went ,the labour party ,I do not think that would be a good move, the Liberals I do not think so. So we must believe that Mr Johnson has learnt a bitter lesson and now lead the right way.
I think anyone who believes that the PM is in anyway “sorry” does not look at our PMs track record very carefully. He will say whatever he thinks will get him off the hook……until the next time! This won’t be the last time he has to apologise to both the House and the electorate but how long before everyone agrees that enough is enough? He’s definitely not an Honourable man. Sadly the majority of Tory MPs are only considering their own seats, but perhaps they need to spend more time with their constituents and canvas opinions.
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Sorry is one of the easiest words to say and in Boris's case means absolutely nothing, except to the blindly faithful and the gullible.
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Arthur wrote:...Tory MPs... need to spend more time with their constituents and canvas opinions.
Here, steady on - that sounds suspiciously like democracy to me!
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Arthur you are correct
And some would rather hide that MPs were misled and lied to by the PM.
A stronger opposition would see him unseated
That day may or may not come .
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I'm sticking with Boris - he's really pissing off all the right people (and I include some of my close family members
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Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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Captain Haddock wrote:I'm sticking with Boris - he's really pissing off all the right people (and I include some of my close family members
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You joke, Bob, but this is actually the problem. He's so completely out of ideas, all he now has left is to try and wind people up. I sound like a broken record but the cost of living crisis is absolutely huge and they've nothing to offer on that, nothing.
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Neil
I note you avoided my question in post 271.
That said though I think it's not helping encourage people to vote
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Apart from the fact there was no question and yet Neil still addressed your comments, that is!
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Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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I did say, Keith, that Labour needs to stop obsessing with internal nonsense, but I think we're at the end of that process now. It's taken a while, but Starmer has everything in place to make his leadership a success - it's now his job to deliver that, starting with a plan to tackle the cost of living crisis.
We may not agree on the perfect version of Labour, but we're on the same side - because at the very least we demand decency, integrity and honesty.
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Neil Moors wrote: the cost of living crisis is absolutely huge and they've nothing to offer on that
As was also evident in the Macron/Le Pen debate this week. It seems to be fairly universal.
See also USA:-
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10499017/Cost-living-skyrockets-Biden-inflation-soars-highest-point-40-years.html
Have we all just come to the end of buying stuff at too low a price?
Off to ALDI for Ashfields British Large Whole Chicken 1.65k £3.99 .....................
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Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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You're right, Bob. It's a global problem - not unique to UK.
The question is how long it takes our government to realise that Jacob Rees Mogg putting notes on desks, or Nadine Dorries blathering on about something or other really, really isn't what people are looking for - much less whether or not trans people can enter women's sport. They've become so caught up in their own culture wars that they can't see that nobody is paying attention any more.
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Nothing on TV last night so ended up watching JRM being grilled by the Brexit committee. He did actually seem on top of his brief and I now know a little of the position/problems relating to Northern Ireland. Unfortunately non of it will sell newspapers or provide the basis of a lively radio phone-in.
I really don't understand this #CakeGate but then I always thought Richard Nixon (devious and lying) was a much better president than Jimmy Carter (honest peace loving Quaker).
On the whole I'll always vote for clever and mendacious rather than 'nice'.
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Mendacious, yes. Clever, no. The only thing the haunted pencil managed to offer was to invoke article 16. Have you read it? The end result is predictable were he to follow such a course. The EU would revoke the TCA and we'd be in an even more ragged state than we are already. Oh and, of course, America (including even your beloved Republicans) would cut us right out from all negotiations for jeopardising the NI protocol.
Geopolitics isn't your strong point, is it?
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Neil
Thanks for that input, but sadly the internal nonsence as you call it is still ongoing, only last week another went.
Labour was always supposed to be the broad church , quite clearly under Starmer it no longer is, it's right that you make it clear you have moved to the right, but expelling anyone in the left, parachuting in candidates against local membership .
That's quite something else .
I can only say the people I talk to trust Starmer no more than they do the PM
And looking at the draining support for the PM
That's not a good position for Starmer to be in
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