howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Not so sure Ken the single market should still exist-
Guest 977- Registered: 27 Jun 2013
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I know Charlie well and think he might be having a Boris moment over this, his current post means he has to support the party line but his real thoughts should be with his constituents. According to this list he hasn't yet declared his intentions.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35616946howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Whichever way he jumps will be the wrong way and almost all on local social media will be on his case.
I don't think he is a bad MP compared to most, his constituents put him in the commons but Dave has promoted him along since then, hard decision for him.
Paul M- Registered: 1 Feb 2016
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There are no party lines so he should go with what he believes in taking into account his constituents views. That said he appears to be a career politician so will pick the side that will enhance his career prospects.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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One of the issues that a big thing is being made of is national security but surely any evidence of terrorist cells will be shared anyway between all governments other than rogue states? Military wise NATO looks after such matters not the EU.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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One of things many are confused about is the connection between the EU anď the ECHR but as far as iI can see the latter is independent of the former.
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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Philip Davies ,should be leading the out campaign he would not let Cameron the con man of the hook like the rest will .
Guest 1458- Registered: 16 Jan 2015
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howard mcsweeney1 wrote:One of things many are confused about is the connection between the EU anď the ECHR but as far as iI can see the latter is independent of the former.
Not completely Mr mcsweeney as EU membership moved the goalposts somewhat.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/democracylive/hi/europe/newsid_9709000/9709051.stmhoward mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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I think Mr Bibby is referring to David Davies a safer pair of hands than the likes of Garage, Galloway even Boris Johnson. Much as I admire MR Grove he doesn't connect with the public. IDS is a nightmare the out groups will have to hide during the build up. Ideally Suzanne Evans comes across the best but her party
Label will put voters off.
Brian Dixon
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howard,that sounds like a second hand car lot owners.
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
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I see our MP will vote to stay in whereas the.MP for South Thantet wants out,I know which one I trust having met Craig.He also comes over very well in interviews.Our MP is losing his core support.
I did not support joining Europe all those years ago.Why would you want to join some of those countries who only reluctantly supported us during World War Two after Our country had been at war for some years.
We fought to be an Island nation to keep our independence .By joining Europe we have lost more than we have gained.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Overall I would rather have Charlie as MP unlike mackinlay who seems to go where the mood takes him, even tried to be PCC. Not surprised that our one is with the remain crowd, as already said he has a career to think of.
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
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I did not vote. for a PCC either. I only speak as I have found and Craig is a decent sort of chap.Im not a lover of people who are in politics for political gain.
Guest 1692- Registered: 22 Feb 2016
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I am sure that most of the people of Dover and Deal were angry to see David Cameron keep a straight face when he talked about a reformed EU.There has been no reform and I wonder whether I should trust anything else he says.
We still have to agree our immigration and benefits policy with the E.U.The so called brake will probably not help much in reducing the pressure on our public services due to excessive uncontrolled immigration.
No powers have been or will be returned to the U.K parliament.Self government has been lost with many of our laws created in Brussels and the ultimate court based in the E.U.
According to the E.U. We paid 14.3 bn euro to the E.U in 2013 .They kept 8.0 bn and decided how we should spend the 6,3 bn they gave back to us!!Out of the EU.we could have decided how to spend the 14.3 bn on OUR priorities.This arrangement will not change under the new "reformed" E.U.
There are important issues relating to a possible Vote Leave .These need to be debated honestly.
"3 million jobs depend on the E.U " is often quoted as though most of these will disappear overnight if we leave.Trade between the UK and the E.U would still continue if we left the E.U.
Businesses and people in the E.U would still buy U.K services and goods and vice versa.It would be madness for the E.U. to raise tariffs as this would lead to a tit for tat process.
Leaving the E.U.would not be like going over a cliff or Into the dark,The U.K.civil service knows how the E.U works and knows the key issues involved.During the 2 year transition period they would work very hard to arrange as smooth a transition as possible.
Our border may end up in Dover but it will not result in Kent becoming a "Jungle"as Charlie Elphicke enthusiastically exaggerated in his recent Dover Express column.
In Parliament there will probably not be a robust debate.David Cameron shows smug contempt in the House of Commons for questions he does not wish to answer as was illustrated by his feeble replies to the questions of Bill Cash and Boris Johnsonon Monday,Any one who has watched PMQs will know how he behaves.
Charlie Elphicke only has 1 vote. 21737 voted Conservative in 2015 and most ,I suspect,are angry at what David Cameron has delivered.I suspect this feeling is felt all over the country.
Grass root campaigning will be very important for those who want to Leave the E.U as they cannot compete with the Government/ media juggernaut.
Volunteering to help one or more of the Leave campaigning groups is essential as is the need to question Charlie Elphicke's reasons for staying in.
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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I had a letter from Elphicke around 3 years ago saying he was a Eurosceptic,, blatant bullshit he’s backing Cameron to stay in the EU and keep the borders open.
I hope Dover conservative party are happy with the man they have chosen.
Philip Davies Howard, A Much better speaker and he would not give Cameron one inch .
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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And his job
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
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I have received a letter by email from Charlie,it states his reasons for voting to stay in.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Firstly apologies to Keith I must admit I hadn't heard of Philip Davies before - must learn to keep up.
Secondly I agree with everything Ralph has posted, the penultimate paragraph sums up the situation regarding where big business and media loyalties lie.
Thirdly the final paragraph is the worrying bit as I believe there has to be just the one "Out" group or the public will be turned off by rival factions.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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I never belive what a politions says,all are 2 faced,
the leave campaign has had a good kick in the goolags
by Toyota stating that they are behind the in campaign.
Guest 687- Registered: 2 Jun 2009
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Charlie was due to visit Riverside last Friday but cancelled. Having seen Meridian News last night where they interviewed quite a few of the clients of the centre, I don't think Charlie would have had the 'soft' ride he would have expected. If you extrapulate their views as good example of other older people then Charlie has made an error of judgement in choosing to stay within the EU and keeping his constituents happy with him.