Keith Sansum1
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Jan
To be fair i am glad we have moved slightly away from the days of Maggie .
What I believe we are finding now is like other leaders with big majorities they become complacent and stop listening .
In the end it will be Boris downfall as a leader but I feel this will be a slow bleed
Button
I have been saying this for some time , the major opposition is the only one likely to replace the Govt
But all Starmer wants at the mo is to expell anyone who doesn't agree with him and more locally people would at least feel more engaged if they saw there local councillor .
We have three cllrs in this ward
Somehow it ended up
Two conservatives
One labour
I keep asking locals do they know who the labour cllr is , before people say he's a nice chap , I'm sure he is ,
Most locals have no idea who he is
So it doesn't matter how good a speaker you may be in the chamber ,it's locals that elect you .
The ward I live even with the boundary changes should be rock solid labour .
But over the years they have let slip big majorities to make this a very marginal ward , one they are likely to lose the third seat next time round .
Although across the country in many places it's much the same , I have been urging for a credible alternative , both locally and nationally, so at least people have something to vote for.
What's happening now is people are just not bothering to vote ,. Protest voting , or voting for the least damaging.
Hardly good for democracy .
Trouble is I don't see it changing any time soon
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Captain Haddock
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'The ward I live even with the boundary changes should be rock solid labour' . - Keef
Only if it's full of migrants, claimants and public sector employees!
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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#80 - There are posters on here, Neil, who will deny the facts until they are blue in the face. And then, presumably to support their cause (?) will post some totally irrelevant guff by way of a response.
But there's now a good indication that even some of the most ideologically committed Johnsonites are beginning to realise the moon isn't made of green cheese.
They asked for their feast, now eat it, I say. Did anyone, knowing the history of this man, seriously believe that it wouldn't end up like this?
Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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ray hutstone wrote:#80 - There are posters on here, Neil, who will deny the facts until they are blue in the face. And then, presumably to support their cause (?) will post some totally irrelevant guff by way of a response.
But there's now a good indication that even some of the most ideologically committed Johnsonites are beginning to realise the moon isn't made of green cheese.
They asked for their feast, now eat it, I say. Did anyone, knowing the history of this man, seriously believe that it wouldn't end up like this?
This is the key. At what point is there clear daylight between supporting Johnson and what's best for the Conservative party. We are fast approaching that point and Tuesday looks to be shaping up to be a very significant day.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Bob
The ward was for years labour
But they have allowed it to go
Locally they have lost there way
Nationally they don't have the suppurt
So we are stuck with this lot for years to come
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Tomorrow is Day 15 of #PartyGate and it looks like it's having its designed effect on the North Shropshire By-Election
Liberal Democrats
1/2
Conservatives
5/4
Labour
50/1
Reform UK
150/1
Greens
200/1
Official Monster Raving Loony Party
500/1
The Remainder MSM hoping to get rid of BoJo knowing that this would lead to David Frost (no relation) being withdrawn from EU negotiations and still hoping for Brexit failure?
Daily Mail :- Boris Johnson has condemned the BBC as 'shamefully frivolous, vengeful and partisan' over its coverage of the No 10 'Partygate' row.
He's not wrong.
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Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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Brexit "is done", and even the bits that aren't are quietly being resolved with the EU as the government doesn't have any bandwidth to mess about with Article 16 any more.
The written press have allowed themselves to turn against Johnson, at least in part, because they don't like backing the losing horse - and that's what Johnson feels like now. Like I said, the Tories are coming to the conclusion that he's no longer an asset, but a liability.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Neil
I share your view on the Tories and it's leadership and at some point they will have to replace him .
The thing is we will get just another leader with the same type of agenda .
I think most people have just switched off politics altogether , or dont trust your party or its leadership any more than the Tories.
Which gets you a position of this lot will be in power for as long as they want
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Brexit isn't done and it remains a colossal failure of political judgment. I'm not referring to the electorate but to Bojo and his cabinet of Brexit lickspittles who (like a lot or Tory members) were more than happy to support this hapless, grubby egotist on this ascent of the greasy pole.
As for the BBC being partisan, why has there been no to no coverage of the fact the Biden has abolished all steel and aluminiums tariffs for exports from the EU but retained them for the UK?
It's this useless Johnson led cabal that have led us down the hard Brexit path. The more the evidence of damage mounts, the greater the attempts to suppress it. We now have the once ardent remainer, Liz Truss, desperately trying to tout her virtually non-existent trade deal successes as a reason why she should succeed the bed-haired buffoon.
Pass the sick bag, Alice. As Private Eye used to say in the old days.
Brian Dixon
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ray, some thing tells me that you like bojo and his cronies. lol
Pablo- Registered: 21 Mar 2018
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Captain Haddock wrote:So Allegra takes one for the team.
Not the first time a woman falls on Boris' sword?
Well, Boris has for years been well known as quite an accomplished swordsman.
Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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I see he has shifted in his language to "I didn't break any rules", so clearly lining up the next batch of resignations from his office.
ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Brian Dixon wrote:ray, some thing tells me that you like bojo and his cronies. lol
i struggle to understand why, in the face of so much blatant evidence, people continue to support this wastrel, Brian. When will they come to understand that there are good and bad politicans in both sides of the divide. The one we have right now has drifted from bad to utterly appalling.
Meanwhile, talking of hypocrisy, this is a chap who voted to make ID cards compulsory in a country where evidence of voter fraud is negligible. Now where did that sick bag go?
Conservative MP Marcus Fysh tells @BBC5Live
he will be "voting against vaccine passports" as the UK is not "Nazi Germany"
"It's the thin end of an authoritarian wedge"
Reginald Barrington
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Your post does somewhat highlight the hypocrisy of almost the entire labour party though Ray
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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ray hutstone wrote:
Conservative MP Marcus Fysh tells @BBC5Live
he will be "voting against vaccine passports" as the UK is not "Nazi Germany"
"It's the thin end of an authoritarian wedge"
Here's a list of some of the neo-Fascist countries which like Nazi Germany require voter ID:-
Argentina, Australia, Brazil. Canada, France, Finland, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, India, Israel, Italy, Mexico, Namibia, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland, United Kingdom (Northern Ireland)United States (14 States)
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Neil ..
Your still on the attack of Boris
But still fail to find the alternatives to be any better .
I'm sure you understand that with the lack of opposition the govt with this lot will be in place for many years to come .
Sadly !!
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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The redoubtable Mr Fysh is apparently a libertarian. He therefore is prepared to vote against measures that he feels impinge on our individual freedom, even though the experts, almost with question, feel they will benefit public health. Meanwhile frightening new data arrives by the minute on the transmissibilty of Omicron and its potential to disrupt our health service and society in general.
But hey, we don't want to be like "Nazi Germany", do we? His words not mine.
Yet Trumpian style measures to restrict enfranchisement when there is no demonstrable evidence of need at all, are somehow perfectly acceptable.
Here's another colossal hypocrite who fortunately is no longer polluting our airwaves.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/matt-hancock-voter-fraud-photo-id-b1845363.htmlButton
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ray hutstone wrote:Yet Trumpian style measures to restrict enfranchisement when there is no demonstrable evidence of need at all, are somehow perfectly acceptable.
Hm. According to the BBC (
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59628537?at_medium=RSS&at_campaign=KARANGA):
- "Photo ID is not currently required to vote in England, Wales and Scotland - but has been mandatory in Northern Ireland since 2003.
- "Voters would be able to show ID cards including driver's licences, and UK, Commonwealth or European Economic Area (EEA) passports."
Well, I have a Driving Licence, so I can tick that box at least - easy, no sweat! Way more tricky will be finding a box to cross on the ballot paper.
(Not my real name.)
ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Yep. The Beeb report appears to support my argument, Ms Button. I've got a driving licence still too. It's just a pity that so many others, mainly old, not IT literate or genuinely impoverished, will have no readily accessible means of obtaining digital ID proof when there is absolutely no need for them to do so (unless you're of the mindset of Matt Hancock or our fishy friend), to cast their vote.
The electoral register works. We should be proud of it rather than fall into the trap of ill-disguised gerrymandering. But, hey, Marcus Fysh thinks it's great. Oh and so does our beloved Natalie too.
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